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To: allmendream

I believe the text I noted from Vattel is correct and accurate though some people might have a copy that has para. 212 titled differently than what I have. I still stand by what the Founding Fathers meant and debated about with ‘natural born citizen’ is in the paragraph 212 I referred to. As to your questioning me as to what type of citizen Senator Cruz is I would base it considering it in the framework that my information is that he was born in Canada to a Cuban father and a USA citizen mother. His father was a fighter for Castro’s revolution but later rescinded the support ostensibly because he did not like communism. The family came to the USA when now Senator Cruz was 4 years old. As such my take is he can/does meet the requirements of a USA Senator like Obama but he is not eligible for POTUSA as much as some people would like to twist the Constitution for any personnal purposes. I like what I see of the man’s politics and believe that somewhere in this vast Nation there is or will be a person our Founding Fathers envisioned as POTUSA.


81 posted on 03/06/2013 11:12:23 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2
It is obviously not enough for birthers to hold to their obscure view of the law and/or peddle conspiracy theories - they must malign the motives of anyone who refuses to accept their view of the law and/or conspiracy theories.

A prominent conservative commentator or elected official refuses to sign on? They are OBVIOUSLY part of or a victim of the conspiracy! Or they just don't respect the Constitution and want to render the relevant language meaningless.

I have been consistent from way before 0bama hit the scene. When the Constitutionality of McCain as a potential President was discussed I looked at the Constitution and found only THREE types of citizen discussed. It seems obvious that McCain is not a naturalized citizen, and even more obvious that he was not a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution (although he admittedly hasn't aged well). Thus he must be the only OTHER type of citizen made mention of in the Constitution - a natural born citizen.

Soon after 0bama was elected there was a Vattel revival - people fixated on Vattel 212 and insisted that based upon it McCain (and others) were not eligible for the Presidency. Most never bothered to read on to Vattel 217 that clearly made McCain eligible even if the founders went with Vattel as the end-all be-all of what constituted natural law - which is unlikely considering how obscure he was and how rarely he was mentioned and how closely the phrase “natural born citizen” agrees with and is congruent in meaning with the phrase in English law (which was the law the founders were most familiar with and many professionally trained in) “natural born subject”.

Most of our founders were natural born subjects of England - and based the legality of their rebellion on the King not respecting their rights as natural born subjects of England - and obviously very few of our founders were actually born IN England.

83 posted on 03/07/2013 7:51:08 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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