Posted on 02/17/2013 8:41:52 PM PST by Kevmo
If you think that’s bad... Try talking about smaller, more limited Constitutional governance without getting trolled by bigger government Nanny State RINO’s.
Even Purdue University has been doing experiments and generating dense papers on the subject and Purdue is hardly a bastion of radical faddishness.
“And if so, the NORMAL practice of science will eventually disclose the truth.”
And NORMAL science is disclosing the truth....no one wants to put large amounts of money into something that they don't believe has a chance of producing value in the future, either as pure research or as a practical application.
Claims of container sized water heaters and waiting customers that should have been treated with utmost
skepticism have been greeted with sunny credulity on the cold fusion sites by the cheer leaders of cold fusion even when fraud was indicated.
“The world does NOT need you and a few others to protect it from itself. That mode of thinking is “of the left”. In other words, you're just another vigilante censor”
“vigilante censor”? “of the left”? Why not Luddite and Nazi and anti catalyst?
“The world does NOT need you....” I'm just not feeling the love here.
***How can you prove it is the truth? Or more towards the common demoninator, where is the evidence that you are telling the truth?
I live in that part of the USA subjected to the Spotted Owl Scam, also known as the Northwest Forest Plan. Jack Ward Thomas’s report, A Conservation Strategy for the Northern Spotted Owl (1990), excluded all observed data and field studies contrary to his foremost goal - excluding timber harvesting in Northwest Forests.
Spotted owls were thriving in second growth timber. That owl species did not require just old growth timber habitat.
The Thomas report was junk science.
This is why, Kevmo, a huge swath of the citizenry no longer think well of scientists. Too many have a personal agenda and are politically driven to screw everyone else.
Really?? Who a Purdue is being so brave??
"“vigilante censor”? “of the left”? Why not Luddite and Nazi and anti catalyst?"
Because they aren't descriptive of what is being done on these threads.
"“The world does NOT need you....” I'm just not feeling the love here."
You're right. I don't love self-appointed vigilante censorship nor those who engage in it.
“You're right. I don't love self-appointed vigilante censorship nor those who engage in it.”
I quite frequently am and here's another instance of same: Those who complain most loudly about censorship are usually the most anxious to practice it.
Really liked your “about” page JR. Keep charging brother!
This is why, Kevmo, a huge swath of the citizenry no longer think well of scientists. Too many have a personal agenda and are politically driven to screw everyone else.
***Scientism is well on its way to becoming a religion, with high priests and rites of passage, toeing the party line and “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”.
I think it might even be the one-world religion prophesied in the Bible: Mystery, Babylon. The root word of Mystery is Knowledge; the root word of Babylon is Knowledge — the tower of Babyl was the tower of Knowledge. The root word of science is Knowledge; the root word of technology is Knowledge.
I’ve always been interested in science and the acquisition of scientific based knowledge.
Because I believe science is based, or at least SHOULD be based, on proof until disproved, and that scientists are, without their knowledge, working to uncover the workings of God in our universe.
Einstein said God doesn’t play dice with the universe. The scientific laws therefore are God’s Laws.
When I tell this to people, most folks involved with science give me a hard stare before smiling, then nod. Those who are always quoting the Bible go apoplectic.
Religion is about truth. Because I have faith, it is true.
Science is about proof. Because I have proof, it stands until disproved.
Big difference.
LOL. Look in a mirror. You and a few others swarm LENR threads posting insulting one-liners..."it's a scam".."you're a shill for Rossi"....and on and on ad infinitum, ad nausem. Simply because a few people examine the evidence and have the temerity to disagree with your position.
The article is interesting but the footnotes are *murder.*
Einstein said God doesn’t play dice with the universe. The scientific laws therefore are God’s Laws.
***Einstein was talking about a particular theory. He was just a man. Jesus was God Himself. I get hard stares when I say that.
A law is simply a mathematically rigorous observation of nature. For instance, we have a law of gravity. But there is no generally accepted theory of gravity. Because we don’t know how it works, but God sure does. Scientific laws are observations. God’s laws are completely different. They are edicts, to be obeyed. Completely different.
Religion is about truth. Because I have faith, it is true.
***The truth is true, regardless of whether I have faith or not. In my pursuits of science and spirituality, truth has been the overriding factor. Most scientifically minded folks (scientism believers) will swear up & down that there is less evidence for John Adams being the 2nd president of the United States, or that Christopher Columbus never sailed the ocean in 1492, rather than accept the historical facts behind the death of Jesus — and that He died because He claimed to be God Himself.
“In other words, you're just another vigilante censor.”
When have I ever suggested censoring anyone for supporting some view? This is an open forum and most anyone can comment as they like within the rules.
“In other words, you're just another vigilante censor.”
Who is coming on with the personal one liner insults?
You've been on LENR threads about as long as they've been posted, so you know the actors as well as I do. Drop the innocent ignorance act.
"When have I ever suggested censoring anyone for supporting some view? This is an open forum and most anyone can comment as they like within the rules."
It's not "suggesting censoring". It's censorship by spamming. And it is something that seems to be pretty much unique to the anti-LENR faction. I have not seen the tactic widely used on other subjects, but heavily used by the LENR pathological skeptics across multiple fora.
"Who is coming on with the personal one liner insults?"
The truth bothers you, doesn't it?? Vigilante censorship it was, and vigilante censorship it remains.
“Censorship by spamming”??? Contact the mods!! Next will come thought crime unless the skeptics are kept off these “fora” (forums is the preferred form, really).
A LENR/CANR/COLD FUSION/LANR/ CAUCUS....has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
A LENR/CANR/COLD FUSION/LANR/ CAUCUS....has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
***Sounds good to me.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2912705/posts
Having been duly appointed as the Vigilante Censor I must inform you that you can’t say that here without prior permission, prior written permission, in triplicate with bells and weasels.
However you are permitted to sing “Somewhere Over the Rainbow”.
I learned my spelling in an older school, not what passes for it in today's bastardized journo-speak.
"Next will come thought crime unless the skeptics are kept off these “fora”.
Not at all. The solution is for the skeptopaths to be held to ONE original posting per thread. The tactic is for a single individual to post dozens of marginally related comments on a single thread. Hence dropping the signal/noise ratio close to zero.
Other FORA handle the problem exactly that way. Nobody is banned. One Yahoo group (on lathes) has set up a separate subgroup for "off topic" comments, and all such get routed there. The fact that the mods here give the vigilantes free reign speaks poorly for them and FR as a whole.
"A LENR/CANR/COLD FUSION/LANR/ CAUCUS....has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
Yes, actually it does. A caucus limited to postings ON THE SCIENCE INVOLVED without the extraneous "it's a scam" baloney.
The gist of the article appears to be that the very community that backed away from true scientific methodds - the global warming crowd - now bleats about the fact that people no longer trust their methodology - after all, consensus is just as valid as science, right?
I have a longstanding joke about “latest medical science”. It goes something like this: “Latest medical science shows that previous medical science was completely wrong about...” Consider the ‘consesus’ about the egg - good food or bad? Looming ice age, or global warming?
Add in the deliberate dumbing down of the American people, and you have a recipe for disdain.
Until scientists get back into the business of serving the truth (as in: scientific fact, not theory/hypothesis dressed up to garner grants), I have little sympathy for them. Science fiction, to many of the scientifically illiterate, is a more realistic picture than the visions currently being painted by some scientists.
NOTE: I did not read all of the excerpt here, due to formatting. If I screwed up my impression, feel free to correct me (but be gentle - it’s not my first time, but... LOL).
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