Posted on 02/09/2013 7:29:40 PM PST by wintertime
Jonah Mowry: 'Whats goin on..'( School Bullying)
This is a pitiful video. This child is in genuine pain due to the bullying he has suffered since first grade. He dreads starting eighth grade.
So?...: Some comments and questions:
--- When children are confined and herded together in same age groups with insufficient adult supervision, we should expect bullying. Bullying not an exception given the social situation the children must endure.. ( In many ways, the social pathology seen in institutional schools resembles prison pathology.)
---It is more important for modestly talented white collar workers in the government schools to keep their jobs and feed the educational-industrial complex than it is to really find **HUMANE** schooling models and effective teaching methods.
---There are schools and situations where it would be better for the child to receive **no** education whatsoever than to suffer the abuse they experience in school. Illiteracy and innumeracy can be fixed. Dead can't be. This child is in one of those situations.
---Why are children **forced** by the government to endure abuse that would win an adult court ordered restraining orders, felony charges, and millions in court for workplace harassment?
---Surely the parents know what is going on. This child needs to be rescued. Why have they abandoned him?
---Why should this child trust his parents or those adults in his life who should be rescuing him but have failed to do so?
---Why aren't teachers held to the **same** standards and penalties as employers in the workplace? Why are teachers and principals special and immune from personal court suits and government penalties and fines? Where are the class action attorneys when children need them?
---This child is in tremendous pain. The other children in the class have witnessed this bullying. Are they living in hellish fear that they may be the next victim? Is it good for children to be forced to witness such abuse? I certain don't think so.
---One of the cruelest things to say to a child suffering from bullying it to say, "It is normal or it is good for you." If it isn't good for an adult in the workplace or woman in a marriage, why would we think it is good for a **child**?
It is hard to tell these days, but my guess is yes or his father lacks his manhood, and by definition is a liberal.
By the way, you recognized the first rule of keep neighborhoods safe and drug free. Sometimes it doesn't even require a talk. My neighborhood is adjacent to an apartment complex that has several less than desirable people. Occasionally, those people walk through the neighborhood. They may be great people, I have no idea, but when I see baggy pants with underwear showing, hoodies and thuggish appearances I get defensive. I saw one of these hood rats walking down the street on day. I stood and starred the thug down as he walked past my house. He gave me a look like I was nuts to even glance in his direction. A little later in the week, the same thug was walking again down the street again, but I was getting ready to go shooting with my daughter and her boyfriend. I saw him from my garage door as I was lubricating my AR. I walked to my side yard with weapon in hand and starred him down again. I haven't seen him since.
I call it keeping the neighborhood clean. BTW, there is no crime in our neighborhood. The men on my block (it may be strange, but everyone is married, and most close to or over twenty years) will not allow it.
And...Imprisoning them in prison-like schools is not the place to learn healthy adult behavior. The place to do that is by watching adults handle the normal conflicts that arise in adult living.
Also...GOOD point about the play. Normal play is now forbidden in government schools.
By the way,....I have never seen bullying on the beach and I specifically look for it because I am curious about its absence. Why?
—Sufficient adult supervision. ( There is water there and plenty of adults watching their kids.)
— When children are tired, hungry, or bored they are completely free to leave any play activity.
—It is interesting to watch the older children mentor the younger child in proper beach etiquette.
— And, the older kids often will spend **hours** teaching younger children games and activities. I remember one day a child of about 10 spending nearly the entire afternoon teaching a younger child to do somersaults. ( No attention deficit among that group of kids.)
The best place to learn this is by watching responsible parents ( and close relatives) do this as part of managing the conflicts that normally arise in living adult lives.
The worst place to learn it is in a prison-like government school where even play ( and important part of childhood where children practice and pretend to be adults) is banned.
Teach your children basic self defense techniques and stop letting the government teach your child to be a “victim!”
If they don't learn to stand up for themselves now, when will they? We always had bullies, but, we took care of the problem, the government did not stick their noses in on behalf of some victim!
slap a bully in the nose once and more than likely, they will not do that to you again!
Screw the government's BS about “telling” that is soooooo much crap!!!! Even a child has the God given right of self defense!
Eight deuce on the loose!!!!
Older kids teaching younger kids is normal.
They are stepping up toward adulthood.
Older kids teaching younger kids is normal.
They are stepping up toward adulthood.
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There isn’t much opportunity for that in an age-segregated and prison-like K-12 school.
What I often see in the PC world is so called Adults expecting children to just understand adult situations without ever letting them get their toes wet.
This is just as bad of an idea as letting them run wild.
There is a time for immediate action and a time for pause and there is always the component of reason and justice.
If your kids are good learners, you can give them a wide berth at an early age, But you never stop watching them.
I agree.
The notion that “YOU ARE 8, and must ACT 8 is foreign to me”
You are 8, so you must hang out with 8 year olds.
At any rate I think most healthy kids yearn to be adults and most healthy adults reminisce over being a child.
This is the human condition
It’s hard to explain.
It must be lived.
amen
“It really doesn’t matter if he loses a fights against bullies. At least he is able to say that he stood up to them. And the real outcome is once you stand up to a bully, it is no longer worth the effort for the bully to pick on you if he knows he will be in a fight and will be hurt. There is always some softer, younger target to go after.”
That just isn’t always true.
My son fought a bully (and won) and the kid acted like it was a fluke. Came after my son a hundred times harder. It took more than a dozen beat-downs before the kid finally let up.
Then the kid went after easier targets and my son beat him up for *that*.
At one point, the kid reported my son for breaking his nose. Thankfully, the school had common sense and didn’t use zero tolerance against my kid.
This kid is a *criminal*. And you’re right. NO adult would have to tolerate this abuse.
What goes around comes around. I was 5-7 and 135 in high school and Nathan B was about 5-10 and 160, why he decided to pick on me I don’t know but I ended up fighting him 3 times and got my arse kicked all three times. After high school I went into the Army and he pursued his career as a part time oil field hand and professional bar fly.
Two years after I got out of the Army and as a rookie deputy with the Sheriff’s office we met again. I got a call about a domestic disturbance and when I got there his wifes face was covered in blood where he’s beat the hell out her, I later found out this wasn’t the first time. He knew who I was and laughed at the thought of me putting cuff’s on him and even taunted me. One hard blast of pepper spray to the face and he started hollering like a baby even after I cuffed him and took him to the ER to get cleaned up and a wound in his hand taken care of. He stayed in county until his trial (no bondsman would take him) then he got one year with the state. Vengance was mine!
He came back and stayed out of trouble for about 6 months then got involved in a income tax scam and got him another 10 years with the state and thats the last I heard about him. Couldn’t have happen to a nicer guy!
One thing I discovered is that bullies are usually coddled by the school. The more trouble you cause, the more likely you will see the school look the other way. Violent minorities are particularly coddled because suspending them hurts your stats. The more of them involved in an incident, the less likely they will be punished.
The fewer minorities that get punished, the better the principal looks in the eyes of the school system. The only major exception is gay kids. They get a certain amount of protection by the system.
Seriously? Are you that pathetic? This is a lesson that EVERY child must learn. EVERY child gets picked on. Too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny, too loud, too quiet, too rich, too poor, too black, too white, too whatever. All kids of ALL cultures and ALL races, throughout ALL time have been bullied at some point and in some way. It is a rite of passage to figure out the lesson: how to make someone stop who gets pleasure out of annoying / hurting / dominating / insulting you. The usual solutions include (depending on the type of bullying):
showing that is no longer bothers you (so it no longer gives them pleasure, so they move on to the next one),
getting into a physical confrontation (you may very well lose, but if you inflict enough damage to make it no longer worthwhile... or if you gain a bit of respect... it stops),
getting / making friends to make it a numbers game,
give better insults that you get,
some opt for joining the bullies, and insulting themselves (which makes for self-esteem issues later on, but it is a relatively common and somewhat viable tactic)...
there are almost as many solutions as there are bullies. Pick your top ten, try each, and see what works best. If none do, try the next ten.
One-on-one therapy, Presidential PSAs, talks with the principal or the parents, and other moronic nanny-interventions don't work. Never have, in any culture, in any period of history. Never will. The point is to learn to defend yourself, or else be attacked forever. Hell, this is part of the animal kingdom. It's not just HUMAN nature that features it. The runr of the litter is not well treated. Figure out a way to best the bullies, or avoid being a fun victim... or else have limp-wristed parents fret over "what to do" on public forum boards.
Welcome to mammal-hood. Life takes effort, and an interest in self-preservation.
I’ve got to share that story with my son, lol! He’s working on becoming a cop. :)
Even babies don't like being babies. There is constant striving to master their world.
In our homeschool one of the most fascinating processes to watch was the children's’ play. They played **intensely** and often their projects extended over many months and a few projects continued over several years. Gradually, their intense play became their adult vocations and avocations.
Very good point!
Also....I think bullies in school perform the same “controller” function as bullies in prison, and for the same reason are deliberately overlooked by the teachers and principals. Bullies guarantee a cowed, timid, and easily manipulated population of prisoners ( students) who are constantly striving to conform and not attract attention.
Again: If we treat our nation’s children like socialist and godless prisoners in our nation’s godless and socialist schools, we risk having a population of future citizens who are comfortable being prisoners of the government.
No. It isn't a rite of passage for homeschoolers.
It just seem normal because our citizens have forgotten ( its’ taken five or six generations) that brick and mortar, Prussian-model, and prison-like SCHOOL IS NOT NORMAL.
Over 150,000 years of human ancestors would be ***APPALLED** at how we treat children. Homeschoolers are proving every day, for decades now, that children learn best in the company of caring ADULTS. These are adults who are there to model and teach rational and humane ways to handle the conflict that happens in everyone’s life without beating another person to a pulp or allowing bullies to bloody them.
When compulsory government schooling was first introduced in our nation some states had to call out the militia to enforce the law. The citizens who objected were right and we are now seeing why they were right. We have a nation of citizens who just voted in the most socialist president ( fascist and Marxist even) in the history of our nation!
If we treat children like prisoners in our socialist and government owned and run indoctrination centers we will get a nation of citizens that is comfortable being socialist prisoners of the government!
Personally, I WILL NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT SCHOOL TEACHER FOR A FRIEND. Yes! I consider government schooling to be **that** evil.
You have just described “Lord of the Flies” and prison life.
No, my adult life is not about constantly strategizing about defending myself, worrying about bloodying someone’s nose, being bloodied by them, or hiding in a corner worrying about being the “first victim”.
This is PRISON LIFE, ( not real world of adult living) that you are describing.
“Today, it isn't just **one** bully. It is a GANG of bullies!”
Our government schools are teaching minorities to **hate** whites. We should remember that. Honestly, there are schools that are soooo bad that it would be better for the child to **never** attend. Illiteracy and innumeracy can be fixed. Dead or crippled can't be.
As my husband pointed out, the posters here are remembering their own childhood prison (oops! “school” ) days. Then there was usually only one bully.
Today, there are GANGS of bullies who have been taught to hate the entire white race.
We should remember that DEAD ( or permanently crippled and scarred) can’t be fixed. Illiteracy and innumeracy can be. And...There are schools in this nation that are, indeed, so bad that it would be better for the child to never attend.
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