Posted on 02/03/2013 7:43:15 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
OK sorry for the rant, but here goes.
We are running a trade deficit which is unacceptably high.
We need to make things in America, yet we import everything from everywhere else.
I agree with your sentiments, but nothing is going to really change until it starts impacting enough of the LOW-INFORMATION voters to make them INFORMED VOTERS.
When you have a government backstop (checks or guaranteed living standard) you don’t care much about the economy.
Lack of JOBS is the number one problem in the country. What is practical for now?
Make sure we win the energy battle. Fracking has opened up many jobs and is keeping much of our money at home. We need to make sure the radical environmentalists don’t shut this down.
Encourage more in-sorucing. If California or other states are too expensive to do business in it is better that companies migrate to the mid-west or south. Better that then lose the jobs to China.
But at the end, it comes down to Federal Government policy, is it going to be business friendly or not. If not the jobs just are going to stay here.
s/b Jobs are not going to stay here.
Low Caffeine voter here...
Very interesting.
I know that has been around forever, but I never realized it may be exactly the problem. Or at least that may provide a wonderful starting point.
Bump.
VAP ping.
Oops sorry.
“VAT” ping.
:)
No I do not support VAT. But, most Free Traders do...judging by their refusal to go after nations that use VAT to tariff American goods while allowing dumping of foreign goods on America.
I support tariffs on foreign goods to stimulate US manufacturing...and to open up markets to US goods that are blocked by Free Trade rules.
Judging by the way you twisted my words from another post...I can tell you are quite the Mao friendly Free Trader
I notice that your first and only solution is for higher prices for all Americans. I see nothing about lower corporate tax rates for manufacturing, or less regulation of manufacturing. Nope, you want to trust the same people who created the problem to solve the problem. That makes you a big government something.....but, I'm not sure it has anything to do with being conservative.
Why you trust government to fairly distribute relief to those needing it most, rather than bending to the will of well connected cronies, is a mystery. For some unknown reason, you seem to believe that all of a sudden government is going to become responsible, capable, and reliable, when it comes to "fixing" the trade deficit. Why stop with manufacturing? Why not empower government to manage the entire economy so that all industry segments can be "fixed?" You have a lot of faith in government. I don't. Higher taxes (yes, tariffs are taxes) and higher prices are not things conservatives should be demanding. But here you are......
Sorry thanks for your post.
I’ve got video’s turned off but thanks anyway.
Funny that, on a thread where higher taxes are proposed, free traders are accused of promoting taxes.
Say what? Mao was a free trader? My understanding of Mao was that he didn't like any kinds of freedom, much less two individuals, from two different countries, buying and selling goods and services of their own free will because they both benefit. Mao was, however, a rabid protectionist. Kind of like the people here who want to empower government to protect us from ourselves. Freedom is so overrated, right?
Yes and no.
In an even world, you would be right. However we are running a massive, and growing, unilateral trade deficit with the one country which may be rapidly turning into an authentic, true adversary.
Either we head off that adversarial relationship now, and find a way to become friends.
Or we fight it later for all the marbles.
Trust me when I say I hope we do the first. And soon. I am full of genuine respect for China and her potential - far more than most Americans.
China is potentially turning into a monster. We have not dealt with a China which is as strong as America.
We will not like that, one bit.
I do not think there is another way. At all.
What we are doing now, is heading directly and full-speed toward the second of those two; Fighting China for all the marbles.
I do not want that. Neither should you.
Please forgive my surliness in an earlier post directed at you...I was trying to respond to another thread at same time while using my smart phone and got mixed up. Still trying to figure out the smart phone
I am still not in favor of the VAT though
You prefer Income Taxes to tariffs?
The US ran quite well...and had its biggest economic growth when we had tariffs. Unfortunately....internationalists like yourself preferred Marxist influenced income taxes to replace tariffs.
After 100 years of income taxes instead of tariffs....the US is now a welfare state with no industry or manufacturing....well we do manufacture debt and government checks
Yep. Chairman Mao would love this Free Trade
Is there a particular reason you want to lower the standard of living of your fellow Americans? That’s exactly what your idea would produce.
Americans are, of their own free will, making purchases that are in their best interests, and the interests of their families. For some reason you have a problem with that. Why you think these people need to be protected from themselves is a mystery.
one country which may be rapidly turning into an authentic, true adversary.
Not all that long ago, the same was said of the Soviet Union. How'd that work out?
Either we head off that adversarial relationship now, and find a way to become friends.
Having strong and wide economic ties with a specific country makes the two countries more adversarial? That's not what history shows.
China is potentially turning into a monster.
You preferred China under Mao where tens of millions starved to death?
Or we fight it later for all the marbles.
You want to keep a country poor and isolated to prevent it from lashing out at the rest of the world? Again, your grasp of history is seriously lacking.
France is more protectionist than China, so will you do the same to their imports? Clearly, you want to foment a trade war without any understanding of what could follow. For more, read a little European history. Like I said, your solutions are based on emotion, and you are woefully uninformed.
China is now the largest exporter in the world.
And growing.
America is number two.
And shrinking. That is what I am concerned about. More all the time.
What are you referring to specifically? Thanks.
There are two significant differences between China and Russia.
Well three really.
1) China greatly emphasizes education. Moreso even than America. Russia had military equipment (still does) but not a huge, growing ever-larger industry of all sorts.
2) China is taking over our manufacturing. No equivalence with Russia. Zero. China is taking over manufacturing from the bottom up. And WE ARE HELPING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
3) China’s population is roughly four times as large as America’s.
There are more, but those are probably the most significant.
In whose world is that an either/or proposition?
The US ran quite well...and had its biggest economic growth when we had tariffs.
Let me know when you repeal the 16th Amendment, Ok?
the US is now a welfare state with no industry or manufacturing.
And that's because we don't have tariffs instead of politicians making people dependent on entitlements so they can maintain political power? Economic and political illiteracy is also a problem, especially with your posts.
By the way, in 2011, US manufacturing contributed $1.8 trillion to our economy. Of that, $1.3 trillion was exported. Our manufacturing accounted for 86% of all goods exported that year. Like the guy who started this thread, you are woefully uninformed, so you offer no facts, but lots of feelings.
Chairman Mao would love this Free Trade
Nonsense. Mao was a despot and a dictator who wanted nothing to do with individual liberty, other than his own. The fascists had a motto: everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. You seem to be on the same page as those guys. Are you a fascist?
Apparently, you're unaware of the engineering and scientific successes of the Russians. Do you think an educated public, that is, for the first time, rapidly improving their economic well-being, is going to want to go to war with the people who are making that possible? Or do you think a country is more likely to lash out at the world when they are isolated and starving? Maybe you're unaware of what's going on in NK.
China is taking over our manufacturing.
Sounds scary. Got anything to back that up, besides feelings? I was living in Japan in the late 80's and constantly had Japanese telling me that they were going to own us. How'd that work out for them?
China’s population is roughly four times as large as America’s.
Again, so what? India's is three times larger than ours. Does that make you fear India? China has 400 million people living day to day without any future. In your opinion, is it better that those numbers increase or decrease?
It's human nature to fear the things you don't understand. Your rant, and following posts, are solid evidence of that fact.
Due to the EPA regulations, it costs more to comply with the government paperwork to obtain and maintain the permits to manufacture anything here than it costs to manufacture the actual goods.
America CANNOT compete with such a stacked deck, so we import everything and export our wealth. In this way the worlds socialist rulers achieve their dream of “sharing the wealth”.
Yes, its evil, and intentional. But, hey, its change. And when the good guys were in control, change is what they needed.
Now evil is in control, and will greatly increase until a new super world ruler steps up. He will be the Anti-Christ and will rule the world with an Iron hand. Complete control over mankinds buying and selling will be his power, and he will have no affection for women.
Its a Bible thing, coming to a planet near you soon!
I think the East and the West respond very differently about things.
We greatly mistake that another country, will behave the same as our own.
Stop sending industry to China.
Start bringing it back.
Now.
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