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To: Theoria; little jeremiah
Lol. Truther videos as a source.

Instead of Alinsky tactics, why don't you dispute and then answer the questions the video brings up?

Oh, you can't you say?

PS, thanks for the ping lj!

38 posted on 01/21/2013 3:22:57 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Alinsky? Every who disagrees with you is using some tactic?

Why would videos that use video source material from Truther HQ even be the starting point of what is the truth.

How about doing some research other than piggybacking off of truthers videos as sources.

41 posted on 01/21/2013 3:40:47 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Something is being hidden, and that is obvious.

As an aside, I am sick to death of people saying that “mistakes’ or “stupidity” plays any part at all in what the revolutaries are doing. They of course may be stupid, and make mistakes. But the evil that they do, the lies they tell, the people they kill - are 100% intentional.

For instance, the idea touted by the msm/gov (no one on FR believes this) that Fast and Furious was “botched” and that’s why the MX cartels got the weapons is obviously fake. They botching was that they were caught at it. Etc.

The Sandy Hook incident reeks even worse than Benghazi, with many more deaths (presumably). I don’t doubt that people died. Just probably not exactly what they present, and their story is manufacted and tweaked, IMHO there is no doubt.


47 posted on 01/21/2013 3:50:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Doc Savage

Always with “the questions”, questions which don’t have alternative answers and are used just to stir up “conspiracy” thoughts without shedding any light.

But OK.

1) Multiple shooters:
- There is no evidence for multiple shooters.
- Early News Reports are notoriously bad, and are not as accurate as later news reports (that is true for all the so-called “questions”)
- They found a guy in the woods, but he had nothing to do with the shooting, and was released.
- He was sitting in the front of the police car, clearly not a suspect.

2) Guns used.
-The gun taken out of the car by all appearances is a shotgun, not a rifle. It certainly doesn’t look like a bushmaster.
- The medical examiner knew what bullets were used; you have to put him in the conspiracy to discount his testimony. No evidence is given that he is part of any conspiracy.
- Federal officials were notoriously bad at giving information, so it’s absurd to believe a word they told anybody. Reports on what guns were found varied widely during the day.
- when the video wants to obfuscate, they play annoying loud music over the talking, so you can’t really hear.
- How could the rifle used to kill the kids possibly end up back in his trunk, when the police where there when he killed himself? The video wants us to ignore reality, I guess it’s a “magic gun” — note also that nobody could have escaped the school after Adam killed himself, the police had the area covered.
- The Medical Examiner did NOT say that Adam shot himself with the rifle; he was asked about all the murders, and answered, but that wouldn’t include the suicide.

3) “uncanny accuracy”
- All the other shootings the video lists were old people (high school/college), and not places that practiced “lockdown”.
- Sandy Hook was elementary school, where kids were locked into their classrooms.
- How would you miss, standing 10 feet away from 6-year-olds who are standing along a wall with no way to overpower you?
- The video insults us suggesting a shooter facing 6-year-olds would have a harder time than a shooter entering a room of college students, some of whom would be athletes or trained martial arts enthusiasts.
- reports state his mother took him to gun ranges. So it wouldn’t be true that he had “no training”

4) The Ryan ID
- We don’t have a police explanation, but Adam could have easily had an OLD ID of Ryan’s. Maybe his old driver’s license, or a high school badge.
- My old drivers license is just lying around the house.
- And again, what is the point? Is the video suggesting that magic was involved, that Ryan actually did the shooting and then was transported out of the state?
- Or are the sugessting Adam wasn’t in the building? Then how do we have his dead body in the building? There is no point to this entire “question” of ID.

5) Mother a teacher
- Simple mistaken reporting.
- Video doesn’t even know how to spell “kindergarten”
- What is the point? How does this change what happened?

6) Offfensive attack on grieving father.
- I won’t dignify this crap again; people grieve in their own way, and grieving people even laugh sometimes. Heartless people expect that a grieving father has to be sullen all the time.
- And the argument that his daughter is alive is offensive and beneath the dignity of this site. She has a grave in Utah.
- Her sister wore her dress.
- What idiot thinks we’ll buy that a man can get on national TV and NOBODY IN THE WORLD would recognize he was someone ELSE? They must think we are all retarded.

7) insane lack of understanding of technology
- Idiots doing video don’t understand how timelines work, how things get tagged timewise, how editing changes dates, how dates can be set by local computers, and how google cache searches can show current dates on old items.

8) Several Kids run out of school, end up at house by school
- Video thinks this is strange, mistakenly believes kids were “dropped off”
- Video suggests driver left kids off, but no evidence that driver didn’t go into house with kids.
- Again, what is the point? Suppose Gene just made up the story to get on the news. What possible difference does that make to the story of the shooting?

9) More ridiculous and offensive attacks on victims.
- medical examiners are not “normal”, they deal with death all the time.

10) THe bizarre “no kids actually in the school”
- I’ve seen more than 2 sets of pictures.
- By this theory, the entire town got together, picked 20 kids to summarily execute, told the rest to stay at home, and then staged the entire event.
- There was a short video from a helicopter, and they pretend it covers multiple hours of the occurence.
- They blocked the road for CARS. It’s absurd to suggest you can’t get an ambulance into the school.
- The video maker clearly has never been around the aftermath of a major event. The EXACT SAME pictures can be seen both BEFORE and AFTER the shooter died at Virginia Tech.

11) Truther claims that 9/11 was a FEMA operation.
- Yes. The video actually says that all 9/11 was done the same time as a FEMA exercise,
- And the London bombing was also some FEMA exersize
- And there was an exersize during the Sandy Hook shooting.
- Part of the 9/11 exersize apparently involved getting islamist terrorists to hijack planes and run them into the buildings.
- Seriously: a major part of the video is about FEMA running a drill at the 9/11 site.
- And Homeland security was teaching a class in bridgeport that day. And the road is the SAME road, only 20 minutes away..... See how easy it is to do crazy conspiracy theories?
- So, what difference does it make to the shooting that there was a class scheduled the same day?
- THe video of course doesn’t say. It’s about raising questions that don’t matter, to pull the wool over your eyes. All smoke and mirrors.

12) Back to the “idiots who don’t understand technology”
- They claim a victim web site was set up before the shooting.
- Think about that — what does that really mean, if true? That a family actually KNEW their kid was scheduled for execution, and instead of going to the authorities, they set up a web site?
- IN what alternate reality to these video makers live?
- We know the kids are dead. It’s not like the family is hiding their child somewhere.
- Remember, these video people are so stupid they think the mark of a great conspiracy is to accidentally let the dead people show up on national TV posing with the President.
- Obviously, these parents have never seen “Capricorn 1” — if the government stages something where your loved ones claim to be dead, the government is going to kill your loved ones, so they don’t show up later.
- But apparently 20 families were happy to have their 6-year-olds killed.
- Or alternative, 20 families were murdered, and replaced with actors, and the kids were staged into the school so the actor parents could pretend to be grieving.
- And NONE of the family or friends of any of these people noticed they had been replaced by actors.
- Again, all based on this bizarre belief that dates on internet pages are sacrosanct.

13) Sandy Hook was staged to get people’s guns away.
- Yep, that entire video was for a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
- They killed 20 kids so they could get a meaningless assault weapons ban re-instated.
- And apparently, some people believe this.

Or, some people hope others are stupid enough to believe it, and hit their video, which is a sponsored video with advertising, and which is making them a pretty penny as people like me are forced to watch it and tell you how stupid it is.

I would recommend that nobody watch that video, because those people deserve our scorn and contempt, not our money-making hits.

Like a stupid line from a stupid will Farrell Movie “The entire audience is stupider for having watched this video”


138 posted on 01/21/2013 9:57:43 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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