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To: Las Vegas Ron

Hi Ron, Thanks ;)

To me it’s much of a muchness. (Scuze me while I whip this out...

Example:
“WE” elect people. WE spent decades compromising and sending candidates to DC who are less than principled.

So by what right do we the electorate claim to be midffed when they do what decades of history PROVE we sent them there to do? Compromise everything.

On this very thread there are people advocating the GOP comp on social issues to ‘win’. Sometimes the disconnect is stunning. What do they win? They ‘win’ more compromise.

That is a historically documented fact. So where am I going with this? Simple.

If we want people to do X, then it stands to reason we have to want X. And when you have people straying as far off the raZ as they are and claiming the position to be conservative, I do not see how coexistence is possible.

We have to be unified. I totally agree. But the concept of what is and is not conservative isn’t some nebulous thing. It’s very simple. But people are determined to redefine it and bend it to their wants.

I do not see how we can compromise with people wanting the polar opposite of ‘conservative’ and still with a straight face call ourselves such. As Ronaldus Magnus said, a party can’t be all things to all people. Neither can a political philosophy.


101 posted on 01/20/2013 5:14:38 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Your post is long and thoughtful, and it is worthy of discussion more than can be accomplished here, but this strikes me so I'll comment on this part:
So by what right do we the electorate claim to be midffed when they do what decades of history PROVE we sent them there to do? Compromise everything.

I believe it was Ayn Rand who said the existence of the Republican party was only to slow the inevitable slide to the left...she was wholly correct in that view.

World history has shown that man has been slave to Government or men in power, this Country, once an exception, is merely sliding back to what has been normal.

People like you and I will not go peacefully, we will die free men.

May God Bless us all.

107 posted on 01/20/2013 5:43:53 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I am one of those “Libertarian Republicans” that many of you think is all evil and want to rid the GOP of “real” conservatives. That is bunk, and I will do my best to explain why.

First, I am a Navy vet so the last thing I am is soft on defense. Ron Paul is crazier than a rat in a tin $hit house when it comes to defense. I realize that we must protect our interests globally, this is not 1820.

What is a “real” conservative? The last time I checked a “real” conservative would have a huge problem with the government running people’s lives. This is why gay marriage and abortion are such issues. I am not in favor of either, but I damn sure am not in favor of the Feds dictating the actions of people either. Leave those issues to the states and locals.

On this site many complain about how the liberals claim that paying taxes to support the “needy” is a form of charity and as Christians we should not be so loathe to do so. Conservatives correctly argue that it is not charity if one is forced to give by the barrel of a gun. The same applies to legislating morality. Are we being moral by not performing or favoring gay marriage or abortion because the federal government does not allow it? The same principle applies, so no we are not being moral. The GOP is seen as being hypocritical by many in the electorate because of this. we all know those things are wrong, but what matters is what is in a person’s heart, and that cannot be legislated on any level, so why compromise our limited government principles trying?

So, when it proposed that the GOP let social issues go on a national level, think again as to why this may be a palatable idea. As of right now, cultural issues are not winning over voters. There are many reasons for this. But, if we want to fix the GOP brand I am of the belief that what we need to do is declare that the GOP still opposes these issues, but is not interested in having the federal government do so. That they should be left to the states. The GOP should truly push a very limited government at the federal level and encourage voters to handle social issues at local levels.


188 posted on 01/21/2013 11:21:44 AM PST by BizBroker (Democrats know nothing. If they knew that they knew nothing, that would be something. But they don't)
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