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To: ansel12
Ok great, we have a Germanophile here.. Here's the final count of military killed in action: 217.6K French, 383K Brits, 416K US (counting Pacific theater), between 8.8M and 10M Soviets and 5.53M Nazis. Now, even with limited math skills, it's obvious that the Soviets got the worst end of the deal but many of their casualties came after their surrender, thanks to the German's policies for treatment of Soviet prisoners. The other Allies fared better vis a vis the Germans, with far fewer dead. In short, the Germans weren't that good, were they? I mean, against unarmed civilians they were almost without parallel at killing people. They had the death camps, the Einsatzgruppen death squads, the reprisal executions and the wonderful Gestapo. Yet when they had to face the might of the US Army, they folded like wet toilet paper. Think of the Falaise Pocket, The Bulge, Remagen, Aachen, etc.

Despite your obvious affection for the losers, they were well-dressed butchers, not effective combat troops.

51 posted on 01/12/2013 1:12:14 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

I’m not a Germanophile, but like everything else, you just leap to uninformed conclusions.

Your uniformed yet passionate opinions on the Glock seem to fit your general approach to things.


52 posted on 01/12/2013 1:20:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Chainmail

Just like any Army or fighting force, there are exceptions to every rule. The German army was NOT a legion of butchers – many German servicemen were NOT Nazi party members. Many units fought with distinction and valor. There were some units – even in the American military – that did not. You mentioned the Bulge – the green, poorly trained US troops were RAN OVER in the initial stages of the German assault – it was not because of cowardice on their part – they were utterly unprepared. However, the professional Heer troops many times fought with honor. There were atrocities on all sides, and thank God the allies prevailed. Your abject hatred of all things German clouds your selective “facts”.


58 posted on 02/02/2013 12:54:41 AM PST by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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