Posted on 01/01/2013 8:49:29 PM PST by Artcore
“Secede.”
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I like it! :-)
I am no longer a Republican.
I didn’t leave the Party, the Party left me.
You keep a paper list of liberal republicans? That’s insane! What do you think they make spreadsheets for? ; )
What took you so long?? The rest of us saw the GOP-e for the gutless RINO cowards that they are and jumped ship long ago.
We can make space for you in the lifeboat.
What, going to become a democrat?
Got to. No computer in the bedroom where I kneel to pray for all the idiots, children, and liberals every night. Gotta have a paper list.
/johnny
I agree with you, and I cannot comprehend the logic behind going third-party. I can definitely see the reasons for doing so (the GOP is an obese lumbering beast inching towards obsolescence), and the reasons are truly valid. No argument there. The GOP has definitely been taking Conservatives for granted, and there is little difference between the GOP and the Democrats. I've even said in the past that a modern-day Republican is far more liberal than a Democrat during the Kennedy era, and by a substantial margin.
However, even though the GOP is a hot mess, going third-party really doesn't achieve much in terms of real change. All it does is simply make the Democrats a far stronger block since they will have more diffuse opposition. There are already a couple of conservative-esque third parties in existence, and all of them have absolutely zero impact. Of these, the Libertarian party is probably the largest, with the Constitution party being the more conservative, and both may as well not exist based on their impact. Look at Gary Johnson for the Libertarian party, or Virgil Goode for the Constitutional party. What effect did they have? Of the two parties, the larger one is the Libertarian party, and it doesn't even have a single seat in the House or Senate.
Now, I am not saying that people should just suck it in and continue doing what has not been working for the last several decades. Actually the last Conservative president the US had was President Reagan ...if GW Bush was a Democrat he would be the second most liberal president after Obama (with both operating with the spirit of FDR). Anyways, I am not saying people should just suck it in, but maybe the best approach is to try and change the GOP from within. The Tea Party was a vehicle that seemed to work well in 2010, and even though it has since been diluted (weak tea?) it DID show that the concept works, and works well.
That is probably the best way to do it ...to change things from the inside using the Tea Party or a similar vehicle. In my opinion, and I may be wrong, going third-party - whether it is a totally new party or adhering to one of the established third parties - would be a mistake looking at the track record of third parties over the decades.
Changing the GOP from within may be difficult, but it is possible. The 2010 mid-terms showed that it is possible to get grass-root based momentum going.
Going third party may make many 'feel good,' but that is all it is. RINOs need Conservatives to be part of the GOP, but Conservatives (unfortunately) also need RINOs. One without the other is not big/powerful enough to defeat the Dems, who - even when they fight internally still know that when it comes to voting they need to be homogenous (remember the PUMA nonsense that quickly dissipated when it came to the 2008 presidential vote, but had so many here believing it would lead to a McCain victory). RINOs without Conservatives will never win anything against the Dems, but in the same way Conservatives without RINOs will simply be a larger version of the Constitutional Party. Again the combined Liberal blocks that go under the Democratic Party moniker, neither the RINO-only GOP version or the Conservative-only Constitutional Party-type 'new party' would have a CHANCE of succeeding. Each needs the other!
The only thing is that for the longest time the RINOs have been in the driver's seat, controlling/manipulating/lying to the Conservative 'passenger' over and over again. At times almost making it seem like tacit threats - e.g. if you don't vote for me the 'other guy' will win, and that will be much worse. Which is why I said I can understand the reasons Conservatives would want to leave. However, 2010 showed that it is possible for the Conservative passenger to bump the RINO driver away from the steering wheel, and this is exactly what needs to happen.
My 2 cents and some warm spit, but to me it seems quite obvious that RINOs and Conservatives are like symbiotic political organisms, where each needs the other to survive. Or maybe like a man and a woman, where each needs the other to procreate even though they are both very different from each other. The man saying he doesn't want the woman, or vice-versa, simply means no more babies (even though I guess the stress levels will be down since the relationship/divorce is finalized). For the RINOs vs Conservatives the problem has been that the RINOs have been the dominating force ...the Tea Party managed to change that in 2010, not only knocking the RINOs back significantly, but delivering a huge surprise hit on the Democrats themselves! I also think it makes sense to stop donating to the RNC (they would only give it to RINO candidates) and start supporting Conservative candidates.
I think such a strategy makes more sense than simply creating another Libertarian/Constitutional party that has a lot of Facebook posts (my goodness, the level of silly FB posts the Libertarian party had for instance) but absolutely no impact.
Conservatives splitting away from the GOP, rather than finding a way of dominating the RINOs, would be the best gift the Democrats could ever get. Far more than a third Obama term.
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I don’t care about politics anymore. Bronco won. Fuck Him
” I would respectfully submit that it could be wiser to stay in and try to fix it from inside.”
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At one time, that might have worked...back in the day when conservatives were a vital constituency. Those days are gone. The Republican Party is now controlled by liberals. Conservatives are no longer welcome. The party of Reagan is no more.
It’s time conservatives take the hint, form their own party and recruit candidates who will best represent their interests.
“We can make space for you in the lifeboat.”
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Thank you!
Boehner you got nothing. I don’t even give a damn who replaces you. Might as well be that code pink bitch.
The R’s have. Next
Anything else is a Pyrrhic victory, where those leaving will definitely feel good, but would have a) no impact and b) just gave the Dems the perfect gift.
We are being driven left. We can all bitch about Hussein, but he and his team are better politicians than the republicans.
The republicans, if they want conservatism, (tonights vote show that statement is not true) they must become more militant than the left. Militancy works for those who have no conscience. We now know that the republicans are liars like the dems. They, if they want conservatism to maintain some similarity of what the country should be, must get up in their face. Stand up against democrat-media complex and call them out.....not try to get along with them.
This will not happen. The country has chosen to become Europe, vis-a-vi Greece. We have lost our country. Our children have no bright future. They can work hard, get a skill, or education and they are beginning with a debt which they cannot pay. Generational theft is the order of the day. We have sold out our posterity. What country will bail us out? We are undone.
NavyMom
I agree
But we are not done yet. I can’t accept that. I don’t know what the final solution will be-—it may be bad. But I won’t go down quietly into the night.
Go easy Johnny
Everyone here is trying to do whats right.
I think
The solution?
I have no idea.
But let’s at least go down fighting together.
God protect us all
I've had it with the GOP and their lick-spittle lackeys.
Amen on the prayer for protection.
/johnny
Understood
And agree to a point.
What do you see as a solution? Or is there one?
I’m open for any idea’s now.
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