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To: Secret Agent Man; Tax-chick

“Funny I never see her say “it takes two” when the comments are negative about the guys.”

This is because all my life I have had to listen to religious a** holes call the woman a slut for getting pregnant, yet say nothing about the boy who got her pregnant.

Another thing that made me so angry. Late in the 80’s my mum used to listen to “Focus on the Family” One day I heard a story about some Christian University (not sure which one) that if a single woman got pregnant she was sent to the deans office, lost all her credits, and was expelled. Mind you the boy was not, only the girl. They had to stop this because they found the the girls were secretly having abortions to stay in school. Of course they were! Christians universties are expensive. They are not going to “ruin” their future over a pregnancy that the school will kick them out for.
If I were still pro choice (I was before I became Catholic) I would argue well at least she is taking care of the “problem” and you can’t call her a slut, nor can you discriminate against her at a Christian university.

Only now that I am pro life I know that it is the woman as well as the baby being hurt by abortion. This is why I wish men would have better attitudes towards sex, same as women. When you are teaching your teen age daughter to abstain are you also teaching your son? Or if you find a condom in his wallet do you find it “cute”? (Yes there are parents who do!!) Think of the double message we send children. If you don’t want your teen age girl having sex then why would you have your teen age boy having sex with someone else’s girl? I know this story is about adults but these morals are taught young. Once they are instilled they are hard to break.


68 posted on 12/26/2012 6:27:48 PM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Morgana

i understand your points but you have such anger, while i agree with your points i don’t want to be on your side. and it’s one sided and can’t be to be fair. unless you want to oppose positive stereotypes for women - always nice, sugar and spice, guys are mean and only think of one thing, kids are always better of with mom, the list goes on and on, you can’t just complain about the negative ones for women and sit silently or promote the negative ones for guys and not be hypocritical. andyou arealways bent on slamming guys, i don’t think you are obective, you are constantly playing defense for one side that you admit are at least equally at fault as the other side. bitterness doesn’t convince anyone you’re right. i mean look how successful the NOW women have been with that.

i had a female frend in college who constantly complained about men to me, a man. couldnt understand why i had a hard time agreeing with her. or why eventully i stopped being her friend. she was askingmeto agre with her that men sucked and couldn’ t figure out why i wasnt totally in 100%
agreement with her. women never were wrong,nevermnade bad decisions, they were smarter than men but had no control of their livesor what happened to tem, or the choices they made as responsible adults.

personally i believe women demnanded to be treated like men, responbsilbe and accountable for their choices, and when they got what they wanted, they found out it’s not as fun as it sounds. liberalism has let everyone off the hook for their stupid decisions, except the responsible workers that fund all these personal mistakes.


71 posted on 12/26/2012 7:27:36 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Morgana
Late in the 80’s my mum used to listen to “Focus on the Family” One day I heard a story about some Christian University (not sure which one) that if a single woman got pregnant she was sent to the deans office, lost all her credits, and was expelled. Mind you the boy was not, only the girl.

That infuriated me when I heard that.

You are quite right of course, that no girl gets pregnant alone. And probably more often than not, it's the guy putting pressure on her.

It is hypocritical of those *Christian* universities to penalize the girls when BOTH the guy and the girl engaged in the same immoral behavior.

It's not wrong only for the girl because she's the one who got pregnant. Who gets pregnant does not determine the morality of the parties.

Now, I'm quite a bit older now but even in my day, girls would rather not have put out. Most did because of pressure from the guys.

Maybe that's changed some. Or maybe a lot, but still, if the guys didn't push for sex, I'm sure the pregnancy rates would drop.

There are a lot of factors in a girl deciding to have sex, but certainly pressure from the boyfriend is a major one.

84 posted on 12/26/2012 9:13:45 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Morgana
This is why I wish men would have better attitudes towards sex, same as women.

I agree. And I also wish both men and women had a different attitude about children. Plenty of commenters have no issues with promiscuity ... it goes without saying that unmarried men and women are having sex. It's only when a woman is pregnant or has children that she becomes a "slut," a "fat cow," and so on.

When you are teaching your teen age daughter to abstain are you also teaching your son?

Absolutely. I didn't see an exemption for males in the Ten Commandments. Did you?

89 posted on 12/27/2012 3:18:34 AM PST by Tax-chick (Peace to people of good will.)
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