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To: Kevmo
Kevmo also wrote: "Similarly, understanding how the plasma from the anomalous heat event generates nuclear events is not necessary. What is it about this whole process that you do not understand?"

Plasma is a HIGH ENERGY state. I have seen no credible evidence or data indicating that a plasma state occurs in a LOW ENERGY Nuclear Reaction. Until you can point me to such (replicated) experimental results and data, you are correct: I do not "understand" that "the plasma from the anomalous heat event generates nuclear events" -- because it ain't been shown (to me) to be so!

And don't think you can snow this old pchem dog by tossing around terms like "plasma".

My very first patent (P/N 3866398) relied on the high energy in a silicon plasma generated by laser ablation to effect dissociation of a normally-inert reagent (Freon vapor) to create free fluorine radicals which then reacted in the gas phase with the vaporized silicon.

As for "your" 'patent claim': no plasma = no prior art = no patent.

135 posted on 12/16/2012 12:56:16 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Kevmo

I note that I filed that patent application thirty-nine (39) years ago — and that it has been cited as “prior art” approximately fifty (50) times since then...


137 posted on 12/16/2012 1:20:47 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

Plasma is a HIGH ENERGY state.
***http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
35kHz, 2-5KV. Not that high of energy after all.
Some flames are very low energy.

I do not “understand” that “the plasma from the anomalous heat event generates nuclear events” — because it ain’t been shown (to me) to be so!
***Transmutation is a nuclear event. Neutrons generation is a nuclear event.

And don’t think you can snow this old pchem dog by tossing around terms like “plasma”.
***I don’t see you putting down an explanation of plasma nor flame that would be acceptable to a patent examiner. I think your experience in getting patents is limited to doing some work in the lab and not knowing truly what “prior art” is about nor really knowing what the requirements are beyond what your corporate lawyers told you.

My very first patent (P/N 3866398) relied on the high energy in a silicon plasma
***It does not mention plasma, nor does it define it. Thank you for making my point for me. You got your patent without even defining nor referring to plasma, just as the inventor of the flamethrower didn’t need to do, and there is no reason why LENR researchers need to have this burden placed upon them. It was, after all, not even placed on you.

http://www.ptodirect.com/Results/Patents?query=PN/3866398


148 posted on 12/16/2012 8:27:13 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: TXnMA
"I have seen no credible evidence or data indicating that a plasma state occurs in a LOW ENERGY Nuclear Reaction. Until you can point me to such (replicated) experimental results and data, you are correct: I do not "understand" that "the plasma from the anomalous heat event generates nuclear events" -- because it ain't been shown (to me) to be so!"

Actually, there are a couple of types of LENR that use plasmas.

One is a glow-discharge in deuterium with a palladium cathode (I don't immediately recall if the same experiments have been done using hydrogen and nickel).

The other is an arc struck and "working" in liquid D2O. I've seen that one with both palladium and with tungsten "needles". Although these both involve plasmas, the energy of the plasma is still far below that needed for "standard high-temp" fusion, yet still give indications that "nuclear things" are going on..

Some LENR researchers lump these together with sonofusion and call them "luke-warm fusion".

I believe these have mostly been investigated by Russian researchers, and thus are less well known than the Pons/Fleischmann electrochemically loaded or Arata-type gas loaded approaches, which involve no plasma on a macro scale......who knows what happens in the micro scale.

167 posted on 12/19/2012 2:36:15 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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