Posted on 11/27/2012 5:56:14 AM PST by Uncle Chip
There will be a war over this. Pensioners vs producers.
We already have a pretty good inkling about how that will turn out. The treatment of the "secured" creditors of General Motors is the best example. There are more RAT pension votes than RAT bold holder votes.
Should do wonders for any future bond sales! Or will the reluctance to buy municipal bonds be branded unpatriotic?
What a mess these people have gotten themselves into. And the mindset of “kick’in the can down the road” until it’s no longer the incumbents problem has led to all of this.
I don’t know what will happen in the future but I do hope that borrowing by governments to pay for projects today will someday end. Of all of the reforms I could imagine, “Cash on the Barrel-head”, is the second one I would most like to see.
The first of course would be, no more taxes on Property. That one tax system has nearly destroyed the concept of “private property” here in the U.S. of A. How can someone truly own their property if the Government can take it away for not paying taxes on it?
If I was a California government employee and had a choice between a pension and a one-time distribution in the near future, I’d take the distribution.
Of course, then Obama would probably just get Bernanke to start buying it, instead. :)
Here’s an idea.... employees paying into their own retirement fund...
Keep kickin the can down the road stops working when you get to a really really steep incline
“There will be a war over this. Pensioners vs producers.”
Pensioners generally think and have the expectation that taxpayers exist to pay their pensions, while taxpayers generally think that they should get services for the taxes they pay.
I’m not sure there is anything local, state and federal employees/pensioners would NOT do to taxpayers/citizens to get the money they think they should get. They are legion, and they are going to be very angry when we can’t pay them anymore.
Not just that but CalPERS has a huge Wall Street portfolio and is often making demands of companies whose stock it holds -- including some of the big Wall Street banks.
I'm sure one of the requirements for its portfolio is that any company whose stock it owns not hold any California bonds or other California liabilities. Wait until that blows back on them.
Ironic that San Bernardino was where McDonalds, one of the most successful private sector businesses in history, was founded. Just wait until the new tax increases take effect and even more companies and individuals abandon California for lower tax and more business friendly states in the south and southeast. Dems will do for California what they did for Detroit.
I don’t think Kalipornia can be saved
Failure to buy bonds will soon be subject to what John Roberts will call a “tax.”
They just have to hang on until Jan. 21. That’s when the bailout request will hit Obama’s desk.
I imagine one of the first thoughts that will cross their mind is to both expand and encourage euthanasia for those over the age of 60.
Like in Britain, tell hospitals that for the elderly, euthanasia is “opt out”. So unless they put in writing that they *don’t* want to be euthanized, it’s automatic.
“I imagine one of the first thoughts that will cross their mind is to both expand and encourage euthanasia for those over the age of 60.”
As in just about everything, if you are counting on government to take care of you in any phase of your life, you are going to be sadly disappointed.
If you aren’t otherwise healthy or can’t pay to keep yourself alive, it should go without saying that government isn’t going to do it for you. But in this day and age, erstwhile conservatives want their socialist healtcare programs.
You might even be one of them.
True, but it wouldn't be an issue if the folks in control hadn't made a lot of promises then kept up the bad practices until they could no longer be kept. I was promised free health care for life when I joined the military and it is no longer free (although the deal is a lot better than folks in the private sector). I kept my end of the deal and gave them 24 years vs. the 20 years that was required - why shouldn't I be upset that "they" broke their end of the deal? I understand that the "pensioners" are no longer "producers", but they made end of life plans based on the contracts they had worked under and have every right to expect the deal (even if outlandishly lavish) to be adhered to.
San Bernardino’s next step in bankruptcy is to move to an “end-in-place” of all existing pension obligations (meaning the present value of existing pension accounts are what they are but will not grow by additional contributions), and establish all pension obligations going forward under outside pension fund managers, outside of Calpers. It could use TIACref for instance.
Calpers is a state-run near monopoloy outfit, not a private company. It is not deserving of any sympathy for pension contributions not yet paid-in to it. It needs to be working with towns to help devise solutions. Why? The local government bankruptcy situation in California is going to grow, not recede. Calpers needs to admit it’s own promises on returns were too rosy, too rosy on benefits that were too generous; and it needs to help with solutions, not simply demand that past agreements have to be honored “in toto”. It has to use some of its own massive earnings to (a) help bridge the gap, by (b) lowering expected returns to pension account holders, and (c) using some portion to help minimize short falls in pension contributions in the near term.
If Calpers were not the government near-monopoly that it is, I might feel differenly about what should now be expected of it.
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