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To: OneWingedShark

Quit twisting words out of context. In case you don’t know his context when he said those things, i’ll help you with some “clarifying” questions.

You would agree that there is no difference between conservatives and liberals related to liberty and statism?

You would agree that there is no difference between the party that voted almost unanimously for Obama Care and the party that voted unanimously AGAINST it related to liberty and staism?

Any questions? I didn’t think so.


57 posted on 11/13/2012 9:18:55 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Quit twisting words out of context. In case you don’t know his context when he said those things, i’ll help you with some “clarifying” questions.
You would agree that there is no difference between conservatives and liberals related to liberty and statism?

That really depends on the definitions that you're using; the founders were Liberals, in the classic sense of the word, and likewise Conservative can mean trying to preserve the current order of things.

"To preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc." is an adequate descriptor of the GOP's 'elite' and indeed of the majority of the GOP's political caste. When was the last time you heard prominent Republicans advocating wholesale dissolution (not rename/roll-up/restructuring) of federal agencies/departments?
I never have, not seriously. I will admit that Reagan wanted to be rid of the Dept. of Education, according to what I've read; however, that was well before my time and I have consistently seen a Republican-party that is complacent, complicit, or incompetent -- there are no other explanations for their lack of drive, even when they have majorities, to pursue stated goals.

You would agree that there is no difference between the party that voted almost unanimously for Obama Care and the party that voted unanimously AGAINST it related to liberty and staism?

I am not convinced that the Republican party is for liberty: they are after-all the ones that passed Patriot Act and were instrumental in the NDAA suspending Haebus Corpus. (Note that I am not arguing that the Democratic party is.)
I think that we may be witnessing a scam on the people by a generalized political caste.

Any questions? I didn’t think so.

Actually there are:
Have you read Liberal Fascism? In it the author observes that the international socialists (communists) and the national socialists (socialists/NAZI/etc) hate each other even though there is so little difference in their vision (the scope of national vs international).
The same thing could apply to the R and D parties, though it is most instructive to see how they both reacted to the TEA party -- remember NY-23? That was when the national-level Republican party endorsed the Democratic candidate over the TEA-party Republican candidate who had won the primaries.

60 posted on 11/13/2012 9:49:12 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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