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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?

And what about the Dick Morrises, the Roves, Barones, Rollins, George Will’s the RINOS/CINOS, etc, etc? Should they ride off into the sunset?

Are they now obsolete? Is it time for more grassroots conservatism as espoused here on FR?

Is it time for 100% bottom-up and 0% top-down?


2 posted on 11/08/2012 7:25:17 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Shut up.. The are more of them than us.. We are going to have to hit rock bottom before we come back up. Mitt Romney was the perfect candidate for these times. We need to be honest with ourselves.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 7:31:17 AM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

In order for anything to occur, a massive “Eye Opening” must occur first..

There was a small group of us here on FR that saw what was happening, and were beaten into submission by the republicans on this site..

I did not say conservatives, but republicans, and there is a difference..

not all republicans are conservatives..

it is the same difference between a capital L libertarian and a small l libertarian..

I mention this because conservatives and small l libertarians are so close in their beliefs that they are natural allies..

Anyway, the eye opening has to occur, and the only way to open eyes is to take a look at the republican party platform, and then use that platform as a gauge against what they do when elected.

once elected, the pubs basically chuck the party platform and turn into libs..

the republican party is liberal, period.

this is based not upon what they say, but what they do..

This is the eye opener that people need to see before any changes can be made..

And, I am sorry to say, it ain’t gonna happen


17 posted on 11/08/2012 7:40:08 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All
If you think Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough you haven't any clue what's happened to the electorate.

Get out of your bubble, leave your echo chamber.

It's very difficult to unseat a sitting president. Even as unpopular as W was in 2004, he was reelected. Obama was well liked and he's the first black president of the United States. That's not Romney's fault.

Voters still blamed BUSH for the state of the economy more than Obama. That's not Romney's fault. Obama ran a campaign of fear, begged for more time to fix things and won. It's that simple.

Grassroots conservatives failed to produce a nominee with FOUR YEARS to coalesce behind one against Romney for this election. Suck it up.

Grassroots conservatives lost very winnable US Senate seats over the past two cycles that would've flipped the Senate to the GOP: Akin? Mourdock? O'Donnell? Angle?

Akin and Mourdock losing 300K-500K votes from Romney's margins of victory in those states is on THEM and "grassroots conservatives" who foisted them on the electorates in those states. That's not Romney's fault.

Why are you blaming pollsters and analysts? They weren't the ones who stayed home because Romney was a Mormon... don't tell me that wasn't a factor; read the posts from Freepers who didn't vote for him because of that.

I don't see much criticism leveled at the pick of Paul Ryan here. There's NO evidence he helped the ticket and plenty of reason to think he harmed it. While I like his willingness to stick his neck out with proposals as budget chair, I always thought it was a dangerous choice. I hoped the chemistry between Romney and Ryan might come through. On his own, Ryan came off as scripted, insincere, wonkish, distant and even unlikable. He was NOT ready for big stage. In the end, clearly he was a liability, he was hidden by the campaign in safe states.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 8:40:44 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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