Second post you said,
"Seriously, stop trying to reason/logic them out of a position they eschewed reason/logic to enter into."
then what is your secret how do you get them to listen?
I attempt to use emotions against them but it doesn't seem to have much of an effect. I explain to them taking from the poor to give to the rich isn't my idea of right and wrong.
Then I explain how stimulus takes from the poor to give to the rich and as soon as I use the word 'stimulus' they have this trigger in their head or something that gives them a positive feeling and anything else I said is ignored.
how do you talk with these cultists?
Allow them to feel comfortable to ask you a specific question, and just answer that one question, as succinctly as possible.
Then stop, talk about something else.
Don’t allow yourself to be baited into strawman arguments. There is a reason it’s always been considered rude to talk politics or religion if you already know you disagree with someone, or don’t know where they stand.
It’s a process.
If your answer is honest and correct, they are more liable to ask you other questions in the future.