Researchers look beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory

Phys Org ^ | October 28, 2012

[Red Badger]

I sense a disturbance in The Force........

[albionin]

Whenever I read about this stuff my brain starts to hurt. I still like to do it though.

[dr_lew]

The remaining option is to accept that influences must be infinitely fast – or that there exists some process that has an equivalent effect when viewed in our spacetime.

I say this is fundamentally idiotic. It presumes a classical foundation to reality which must perforce have these strange properties to present the appearance of quantum reality. It reminds me of the old Peanuts strip where Lucy points out the queen ant to Linus, observing that all the other ants attend to her while she just sits there. Linus says, "That's not an ant Lucy, that's a jelly bean." Lucy replies, "I wonder how a jelly bean ever got to be queen?"

[jwalsh07]

When they get to the top of Quantum Mountain, St Thomas will be waiting for them with a cup of ale and some venison.

[JRandomFreeper]

Into the planck foam they dove, never to be seen again.

This should be interesting.

/johnny

[C. Edmund Wright]

YEP.

To me, it’s simple: What is before time began and after time ends? Easy. God.

What is one inch beyond the end of space? Easy. God.

[I see my hands]

Science has learned to measure and describe things that are not and can't be. I am becoming more inclined to believe there is nothing.

[Frapster]

But are they really YOUR hands?

[dr_lew]

It has to be admitted that Aquinas’ contemplations of the properties and powers of angels puts one in mind twentieth century quantum philosophy. Whether this puts him at the top of the Quantum Mountain, I don’t know. Perhaps one ought to be generous in these matters.

[JRandomFreeper]

God is an Awesome God.

He set up rules that we get to learn, and gave us at least one universe to play in, using those rules, if we can figure them out. Maybe more, but we see through a glass, darkly, right now.

We do stuff everyday, today that would have had you burned at the stake 200 years ago.

Organized religion is going to have to learn to accept God's universe(s) as they are. His wisdom, not ours, controls it. All we can do is learn it, to whatever extent we can.

/johnny

[JRandomFreeper]

God said Nietzshe is dead. So did the newspapers.

johnny

[Wpin]

“Organized religion is going to have to learn to accept God’s universe(s) as they are. His wisdom, not ours, controls it. All we can do is learn it, to whatever extent we can.”

I don’t think “organized religion” has that problem...it is generally the secular world and even at times science fields themselves that seem to have the problems...

[The Cajun]

"Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime

All you have to do is get rid of distance and time in our 3 spacial dimensions, one temporal dimension reference frame for entangled particles and you have spooky actions at a distance between them.
The weird stuff happens at lower dimensions (Just 2 or less), not higher, in my very, very humble opinion.

[MeanGreen2008]

Really? Reminds me of a movie quote.

[Anson and Garrad have explained they must go and calculate the height.]
Thomas Twp Too: And how d’you know later?
Reginald Anson: Well, w-we’ve made, um, we’ve made measurements with those two hills, and w-we already know the height of Newton Beacon and Whitchurch Hill...
Thomas Twp: But how were they measured?
Reginald Anson: The same way, by comparing them with other hills.
Thomas Twp Too: But who measured the first hill?
Rev. Robert Jones: [whispering] God, my boy. God.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

I’m tell ya our universe and we are our Creator’s video game.. probably in the Creator’s world the equivalent of 14-year-olds are playing Good vs. Evil.

[JRandomFreeper]

I generally take a view that covers a few centuries, since my readings take me from the 1600s to present (mostly in english and latin, granted).

Organized religion is getting better at accepting God's universe(s) recently (last 100 years or so).

Terra really does orbit Sol in an ellipse. As do the other planets and stuff in this solar system. It took a while for that to be accepted by organized religion, even with the evidence that God provided.

/johnny

[dr_lew]

That’s Nietz-sche ... Nietzsche. Give him his due.

[dfwgator]

Y’know, Nietzsche says, “Out of chaos, comes order.”

[James C. Bennett]

Ah, but therein lies a problem: If God is outside Time, then God can neither begin, nor sustain, any action. In other words, a change in the prevailing circumstances necessitates Time. Without Time, all of God’s actions fall onto a singularity, a single moment, simply because outside Time, Time does not exist to separate the events. So, God did not yet think about creating you, God began creating you, and God ended the process of creating you, all at the same moment. That is the consequence of not being under Time. You baked the cake, ate it, and yet are still gathering ingredients for it, all at once - an absurdity. No change is possible without Time elapsing.