Puppy seized from family in UK and destroyed

[Dr. Sivana]

Part chihuahua?

A breed stereotyped for being snappy, aggressive, high-strung, and not good with children?

My wife's preference. We made the decision to get the one from the litter that was least aggressive. The rat terrier part (75%) dominates anyway. If there were a law against rat terriers, and or chihuahuas, I'd get a small mutt or other small breed of dog. And I wouldn't sweat it. She wouldn't either.

Maybe responsible dog owners should push harder for harsher penalties on irresponsible dog owners, the way that pro-gun folks push for harsher penalties for those who commit real crimes (robberies, car-jackings) with guns.

Trying to look for common ground, could I assume that you would hold for the rights of apartment owners, insurance companies, etc. to put in their own restrictions?

I will also note that I saw on an anti-pit bull site that (I didn't know it was anti-pit bull until I followed the link) that even based on their numbers, that Rottweislers are actually worse per capita, since there are almost 10 pit bulls for each rotweiler. That was news to me. I purposefully did not take any other info from that site because I am not up enough on this stuff to know who is BSing whom, but raw stats that make Rotts look worse is pretty convincing.

There is one anecdote that moved me a bit. When I lived in CT, there was a news story in Hamden, CT about a man walking his small dog. The pit bull bolted from the porch, and the owner made no effort whatsoever to retrieve the dog. The pit attacked the small dog, whose owner started BITING THE PIT BULL to make it let go. The Pit Bull would not let go. The small dog owner went to his last resort, a gun he carried and shot the pit bull. If he had broken the law, NO ONE was going to get him into trouble under the circumstances. I know that the owner was at fault, and while Hamden is not quite New Haven, it ain't Mayberry, either. Outside of my own rational considerations, it was hard to be unmoved by that awful story.

[Shadowstrike]

It’s people like you, who frankly make me sick.

First, a tiger cub, and a PUPPY are not the same thing.

Second had you bothered to actually READ the article, you would have read that the puppy was a mixed breed puppy.

There is NO excuse for killing a puppy. None. Period.

[Altariel]

There’s a difference between pushing for harsher penalties for irresponsible dog owners (owners who do not keep their dogs contained on their property, who dabuse or neglect their dogs, etc) and pushing for a ban on a breed or type.

[Oztrich Boy]

Ms Eden says
“Fudge was asleep when they arrived but woke up wagging her tail and looking for a fuss. The police officers told me she was a pit bull and they were going to seize her. I was told to sign some forms but didn’t have my glasses so went to get them. One of the officers placed a hand on my arm to stop me and informed me the forms were simply to say I wasn’t coerced.

1. Lady, you were being coerced.

2. If someone tells you you don't have to read what you are signing, you do.

[pops88]

This is so sad. I used to be a “Pitbulls are a dangerous breed” person until I met a few in person. One was the sweetest dog I ever met. My only fear was being licked to death. The other was well behaved and well trained. In my personal opinion, Jack Russell Terrors and Chihuahua’s should be banned. There are a couple of biters! But they’re small, so they get away with it. My German Shepherd from East German Blood lines does exactly what he was trained to do. I’m a very responsible owner, but if you’re a dumb, Mexican gardener that hops my 6 foot fence to clean up your tree trimming, yes, he’ll do what he was bred for.

[Salamander]

“Today it is dogs, tomorrow it will be us.”

There are some people living near me that I don’t like the looks of.

They could be dangerous, too.

Can I make an appointment for them ahead of time?

[Salamander]

Dobermanns only kill their masters.

Everybody knows that.

Odin killed me 3 times just last week.

Evil dog.

:-P

[Dr. Sivana]

There is NO excuse for killing a puppy. None. Period.

Unwanted puppies are killed in the country by the truckload every week. Do you consider that to be always wrong? If not, what do you propose to do with said puppies?

[Dr. Sivana]

Second had you bothered to actually READ the article, you would have read that the puppy was a mixed breed puppy.

I read the entire pots, and the entire Examiner article. I WON'T go to Facebook pages for anything. The author of the article really stayed away from the breed thing.

First, a tiger cub, and a PUPPY are not the same thing.

No, and a pit bull and a labradoodle are also not the same thing. Nor is a labradoodle and a dog/wolf mix. Once you accept the principle that there can be restrictions on the ownership of dangerous animals, and I do, reasonable men can draw the line in different places.

[Altariel]

I see you got better. :-P

But then, I suppose that’s part of his sinister plot—resurrect you so he can kill you again.

“And this time, Human, I demand a raw bone *every* day. One of yours, if you can’t afford another.”

;-)

[Shadowstrike]

A reasonable man would also be able to distinguish the fact that it is HOW a dog is raised.

[Shadowstrike]

Yes, killing puppies is always wrong.

Do I have a solution? Not at this time, but you’ll be the first to know when I do.

[Dr. Sivana]

A reasonable man would also be able to distinguish the fact that it is HOW a dog is raised.

Yes. In the case of pit bull types, I have seen enough stories where there was no evidence of bad upbringing. In the case of my friend's rottweiler that bit a little girl who was doing nothing wrong, I know that dog was pampered and well treated (though perhaps not properly trained).

Yes, killing puppies is always wrong.

Do I have a solution? Not at this time, but you’ll be the first to know when I do.

Okay, that's a consistent answer. Puppies, like babies are always innocent. Even a "bad" adult dog isn't at fault in the same way that a grown man is at fault. Personally, I am of the mind that if we can kill young animals for food (ducks, quail, calves) or pelts, that we can kill them out of other necessities or even serious wants. I will concede that the reason gets more grave depending on the type of animal; you can stomp on a cockroach simply because you want to, or trap a raccoon because it is invading your garden, etc., and that horses, dogs and cats, deserve better treatment. Certainly, if our house were on fire, and I could only grab two things once my wife and children were out, I would worry about my dog and cat before the computer, photos and legal documents.

I just don't think it is absolute. However, as long as one is willing to put the needs of people, even people we find far more annoying than the typical dog or cat, above domestic animals, don't see anything wrong with your position. With dogs, the main problem is that if someone doesn't own them, they will tend to form packs and cause real problems when they are no longer puppies. But, if you think it is inherently wrong to kill puppies, that would have to be dealt with in another way. Perhaps MASSIVE no kill shelters with a neuter program.