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I'm much more concerned about the one week outages that occur here after extreme weather events than the end of the world. But I can handle longer term disasters as well.

"...canning supplies, medical supplies...garden tools, hand tools, fishing equipment,..." She was writing about the end of the world.

Or, she could have been writing about my barn/shop and living through the here and now.

I don't pretend to know people's motivations. I do know that the more folks prepare for themselves, the more ammo I save. I damn sure don't sneer at them.

/johnny

"I don't pretend to know people's motivations."

The motivations in these discussions are advertised in detail. I don't pretend to ignore them.

"I do know that the more folks prepare for themselves, the more ammo I save. I damn sure don't sneer at them."

Let's cut to the chase. I've designed and built rural utilities (sanitation, water, power, etc.) and houses. I've done agricultural work as a business and as an employee. I've been an extreme cold weather instructor. I was in a combat specialty for a few years and served as an instructor in the same. I've roughed it in otherworldly environments, the likes of which, most of you couldn't imagine. I've studied and built components of home energy systems for about a decade. I now live, work and play in a climate that brings several feet of ice, 100+ mph winds and ~ -35 F every winter.

The "bugout bag" business is retarded and will get a lot of people killed. It's stupid. It's ridiculous and deserves ridicule.

To the SHTF-ers... Get a piece of land--a cheap one, at least. Have a well drilled. Pitch in on such an effort with others, if you can get along well enough. Learn more about hygiene. Learn much more about natural thermal properties of materials and interactions. Do exercise. Lose weight. Quit smoking. Don't do drugs.

In other words, try doing some actual work! Otherwise, stay in the cities, where most slobs are safer.

JRandomFreeper, we need a bond collapse, repudiation of debt and all that would follow. It'll take out a lot of trash. But it won't allow for the glorious, evil scenario imagined by so many currently comfortable slobs. They'll just go slowly down into poverty and live the rest of their short lives locked in the humiliating sight of those they looked down upon before. There is no escape except for suicide for the remainder of the middle class. They'll fall like rain, soon, because we don't have an adequate manufacturing base of real men working to support their expensive bureaucrat/service positions.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. I know that I will.