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To: OneWingedShark

The thing is that I was here in 2000 and had people telling me the same stuff about Bush. Guys like you always have a half-mast reason the guy who was nominated is a liar, a lib, the lesser of two evils, not worthy of your vote, blah, blah, blah.

On election day, I will take actions that will help Paul Ryan become the Vice President. You will take actions that help Joe Biden remain the Vice President. And you’ll ludicrously tell yourself you’re doing something to help the country, that you’re refusing to play a game. How absurd.

Like I said, the other side of the GOPe coin. No more a friend to conservatism than they are.


67 posted on 09/28/2012 4:11:50 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Reagan @ only 39/Mondale +5/Dukakis +17/McCain +3...panic is unwarranted. So is complacency.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
The thing is that I was here in 2000 and had people telling me the same stuff about Bush. Guys like you always have a half-mast reason the guy who was nominated is a liar, a lib, the lesser of two evils, not worthy of your vote, blah, blah, blah.

I had no problem voting for bush in 2000 or 2004, though I was extraordinarily disappointed with him when he left office (TARP), that disappointment has actually grown due to my realization that he did virtually nothing to secure America's borders, despite his "hawkish nature" regarding national security.

That, in turn, led me to really look at what the parties do, instead of what they're saying. The more I look, the more disappointment and, I'm honest, betrayal I feel towards the Republican party. [Go back and look at what I said in post 35, is there anything in there that is untrue?]

Because of this betrayal I'm not going to give the Republican-party any more passes; IOW I'm not looking at its popular reputation, but what it actually does, and of that most of the good points are [in recent years, at least] are undeserved.

On election day, I will take actions that will help Paul Ryan become the Vice President.

And I honestly fail to see how he is more influential in the roll of Vice President than as a congressman. (This may be due to the recent tradition of the VP neglecting his roll as President of the Senate.)

You will take actions that help Joe Biden remain the Vice President.

Ah, so in your world any non-Romney vote is one for Obama; one cannot be allowed to differ in opinion? I actually view Romney as worse for the country than Obama -- for the simple reason that people, who have started to become sensitive to the extent of government overreach, will roll-over and go back to sleep because they changed the 'D' next to the President to an 'R'.

That is to say: I consider a people who are aware to be better for America, than those who are willfully ignorant.

And you’ll ludicrously tell yourself you’re doing something to help the country, that you’re refusing to play a game. How absurd.

Really, and how will wishy-washy Romney help?
What we need, as a people, is something very near utterly independent from "who is President" -- what we need is a heart for Justice. {Indeed, see my tagline, it is Justice that we are commanded to do; and any love of Justice requires a love of Truth.} In short, even Madison asserted that the Constitution was utterly inadequate for an immoral people; and we are an immoral people. (Would a moral people kill millions of babies, before birth, and call it a good thing? An expression of choice? No.)

Like I said, the other side of the GOPe coin. No more a friend to conservatism than they are.

Really, and what is your "Conservatism"? Just keeping everything the way it is? Romney is not going to reduce Government size, scope, or overreach; I believe him to be a Statist who will only make things worse. (It may be true that 'worse' is "not as bad as Obama" but that entirely misses the point that it is worse and not better.)

You sell yourself short with your philosophy: you accept evil-by-the-glass, justifying yourself saying that it's better than by-the-swimming-pool, and thereby setting yourself up to never taste good. It is the sort of mindset that sets oneself up for failure and then tries for pity when one is losing.

73 posted on 09/28/2012 4:48:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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