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To: Gaffer
The lack of “labs” or the “hands-on practical” part of an engineering education is a disturbing trend. It is almost completely driven by money. The O&M to keep a quality engineering lab going in a university or college engineering program is quite high. The siren song of “simulate everything on computers” is most alluring. Its much much cheaper then maintaining a physical lab. However no where near as educational for engineers. Computer simulations have their place but they aren't physical. Consider the following, sparks, the odd "it bit me!" electrical shock, a nonfunctional (but should be!) circuit board or even better a smoking circuit board have an educational value almost incalculable!

Also there might be another reason for this trend and its humanware. When I first started college there was a high percentage of engineering profs with industrial experience. (Even my physics department has some!), now they are as rare as gainfully employed French Literature majors. So an unspoken reason could be, too many professors in the curriculum decision making process with no idea what real industrial-grade engineering is. You have engineering profs who have been on a college campus from eighteen on. many with their world outlook still stuck at 18.

Now mix in the very high number of foreign profs who are not very likely to have an American industrial experience either (or any industrial experience particularly if they com from country where a sharp rock & stick is high tech!) and you have a recipe for increasing educational irrelevance.

7 posted on 09/11/2012 8:43:03 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Reily; Gaffer

I worked for Brown and Root for awhile a couple of years after getting out of the Army, we were technical maintenance in a Hercules chemical plant.

I was surprised at how similar the fresh engineers were to second lieutenants, generally they were dumber than dishwater for the first year or two as they had all the theories, but the old techs had to explain to them why they wouldn’t work in the real world.

I was surprised to learn that the older engineers had adopted so many hands on hobbies, it seemed as though they felt the importance of actually involving themselves in hands on challenges, the old timers were much more humble and receptive to practical input than the young guys.


17 posted on 09/11/2012 9:44:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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