Posted on 08/14/2012 11:51:55 AM PDT by Yaelle
Rush, I just heard you saying that you thought punishing the university itself is going too far at Penn State.
Yes, it appears that one evil man brought the whole thing down, but remember that to cover up evil is to promote it.
Everyone up in the highest administration must have known about Sandusky. No one alerted law enforcement. They "let him retire early.". No other football teams seemed to hire him, which if people knew nothing would defy logic. Everyone knew. The heads of the university knew.
They allowed him full access to their property and facilities. They did not alert the authorities to a known pedophile who was running a charity giving him access to the most defenseless children.
The heads of the university allowed these rapes to continue, so, sadly, to prevent anything like this happening again, the whole university is being brought down. By those who stayed silent rather than doing the right thing.
Of all people, I'd have thought you would understand the selfless bravery that discovering evil should have inspired and indeed is required, in the heads of a great educational institution.
Then if your brain is still warm, please present that “information” in Freeh’s Report that proves that Paterno knew.
[Warning: You actually may have to read the Freeh Report, something that you haven’t ever done, and in doing so still not find it]
I wonder why Sandusky “retired” at such a young age. It’s rather odd to me that an arguably successful assistant coach decided to end his career so soon. I am convinced that Paterno knew then about Sandusky’s proclivities with respect to little boys and used it as leverage to force him out.
And you would be wrong. Even the Freeh Report indicates that Sandusky's retirement had nothing to do with it. He took advantage of a standard but lucrative retirement offer to long-standing employees so that he could spend more time with his charity.
So an indication in the Freeh Report is the authority on why Sandusky retired? Bologna. I may very well be wrong, but then again, you may be wrong instead.
Of course Sandusky wanted to spend more time with his charity.
I have it on good authority (Lane Kiffin) that a career in coaching football, even as an assistant, is also lucrative.
If the Freeh Report is your authority, then why are you afraid to rely upon it as your authority.
My memory is not really the greatest, so perhaps I am mistaken.
But I’m pretty confident that I haven’t relied upon the Freeh Report as my authority on anything in these comments.
Please correct me if I am wrong, or consider admitting your mistake.
Then what is your authority???
Since when does anyone need an authority to conclude tha Sandusky’s “retirement”, after being investigated for boogery in 1999, was more than just taking advantage of a lucrative offer?
It’s surprising to me that Sandusky never returned to coaching (actually it isn’t surprising in retrospect considering he had access to little boys at his charity and could wow them with PSU’s athletic facilities, pre-game meals with the football team, bowl game trips, etc., etc. ). How many other successful college coaches took an early lucrative retirement and never returned to college or professional coaching? I can’t think of any.
It appears to me that Joe Paterno, perhaps the most powerful figure at PSU, knew what Sandusky was up to but kept it under wraps to protect his football program’s saintly reputation. Knock yourself out but you’re not going to convince me otherwise.
Maybe this fall we could stand in the shadow of Paterno’s statue on campus and discuss this face to face over a beverage. Wait... What? They took the statue down?
“even YOU.”
Now what could I have possibly done to protect those children who Paterno knew were being molested?
No one told me that they were being molested.
Had someone told me instead of Paterno then Sandusky would have been in prison in 1998. :-)
“am not going above my superiors heads at that point. At that point it’s on the witness to go up the ladder. Only he knows what he actually witnessed.”
Not even for a criminal offense?
By your own admission you would not go over your superiors’ heads. By that rationale, the assistant coach didn’t go over his superior’s head. He reported it to Paterno so that he did the right thing, in your opinion. So, you wouldn’t go over your superiors’ heads but it is OK for the assistant coach to go over his superiors’ heads? What kind of twisted logic is that?
Who dropped the ball? The assistant coach? No. Paterno? Yes.
For criminal offenses as severe as child molestation I, had I been the coach of PedState, would go to the top of the food chain immediately, which, in this case, happens to be the campus police...but that’s just me.
With the benefit of hindsight, would you have done more???
Everybody would have -- but nobody has that available to them, no matter how many superpowers others think they have.
Rush? Is that you? ;)
Seriously, it’s not that anyone is becoming sanctimonious. The university didn’t do due, or even decent, diligence.
Again, what if proctor & gamble let some kind of flaw fester rather than fix their product when they noticed it? Do you get how many innocent people would be hurt? The stock falls. 401ks are hurt. Products are discontinued. Low level employees laid off. Etc.
When you are the head of an organization, the buck better stop with you, or everyone goes down.
I wonder why Sandusky “retired” at such a young age. It’s rather odd to me that an arguably successful assistant coach decided to end his career so soon. I am convinced that Paterno knew then about Sandusky’s proclivities with respect to little boys and used it as leverage to force him out.
And remember. No one else hired him, no program took him on. You know that other schools must have at least inquired. What were they told? “um, no, you don’t want Sandusky...”. And by whom?
You do realize that that is what happened by following the chain of command. Paterno notified Curley, Curley notified Schultz, who is the head of the University Police. Schultz notified Spanier, the President, and legal counsel was brought in, all in a matter of days. It's documented in the Freeh Report. Read it.
No one told me that they were being molested.
Had someone told me instead of Paterno then Sandusky would have been in prison in 1998. :-)
Bingo.
“You do realize that that is what happened by following the chain of command.”
Paterno should have called the campus police the moment that the assistant coach related what he had seen, period. Otherwise, he was, at the very least, obstructing justice and became an accessory after the fact.
Gee whiz! Some people can’t see the forest because the trees get in the way. :-)
There is no doubt in my mind that Sandusky was quietly blacklisted by Joe Paterno.
Ummmmm -- he was told in 2001 not 1998.
or was that 2002 -- according to McQueary's Grand Jury testimony where he had his dates wrong???
I haven't followed every detail closely, but the severe sanctions against Penn State's football program-- forfeiting wins, recruiting restrictions, no bowl appearances and a monetary fine in the amount of a year's football revenue--seem to punish Penn State football fans....not Penn State students.
The Grand Jury, and the Attorney General, and the laws of the state of Pennsylvania disagree with you.
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