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To: Rage cat

I disagree with the hypothesis of the article.

Holmes went insane. It could have been from ingesting drugs (I have seen that happen) or it could have been sudden onset of schizophrenia or any number of other causes.

However, I have questions about what occurred:

1. We have witnesses on video telling news reporters that someone in the theater got a cell call or text and then went over to open the door for the shooter. Why no police investigation of the accomplice?

2. The shooter had his face covered. How do they know it was Holmes? Could the shooter have escaped while leaving Holmes dressed in a matching outfit to take the rap?

3. Holmes was waiting quietly in his car for cops. What happened to the homicidal maniac? So he went totally docile?

4. Holmes appears to be almost totally dazed and incompetent now. How did he learn to make explosives and “sophisticated” booby traps?

5. Are there people and groups evil enough to shoot up a theater and blame it on an insane man? For this question, I have an answer...YES.

However, neither I nor the public know enough to say for sure. Likely, we will never know the full truth.

The glaring gap in news coverage is “Who knew he was insane and failed to intervene or report it?”

In every case like this, e.g., the Giffords shooting, someone FAILED. The Left blames the firearm when the failure was by people in authority.


3 posted on 08/02/2012 9:59:04 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth

That is one thing I find disconcerting about society. If you do something out of the ordinary, they automatically assume you are mentally defective. That there was some direct physical cause for it. They ignore the possibility that the education system, and society at large may have helped cause it. Or caused it outright.

Your idea that the thing called “sanity” is a feature that is inherent in a properly functioning, and undamaged mind….. is inherently flawed.

Sanity is a relative term. It just means that that a person does, or does not view the world in a way that we would consider “nominal” or “acceptable”. That world view (insanity) does not have to be caused by drugs or physical ailment. It can, and often does happen in people that have no mental ailment or drug abuse problems.

It is just the way they have learned to view the world. It makes more logical sense to them than our world view. To them, we are the ones that are insane.

The reason they think their world view makes more logical sense is because the way they was educated and raised lends it’s self to that way of thinking more than our way of thinking.

When you enter the world of education and thinking he was entering, then the relative terms “insane” and “crazy” are just considered societal constructs that are based on arbitrary, relative standards, and current societal norms. A quite limited and inflexible way of viewing the world. He, by necessity of his research would have already let his bounds of thinking reach far beyond that limited way of viewing the world.

To embrace the less constrained way of viewing the world and reject the more constrained view of the world we would consider as “sane” may make him “insane” in our view, but he arrived at that “insane” view of the world by pure logic. Logic based upon what he knew and was taught by the world around him.

In my opinion, the education system, and his mentors are just as responsible for his killing as he is. They are the ones that taught him enough to set him on the roller coaster ride without enough knowledge to handle the results. As the old term goes… “He knows just enough to be dangerous.”


5 posted on 08/02/2012 10:51:02 AM PDT by Rage cat
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To: darth
“We have witnesses on video telling news reporters that someone in the theater got a cell call or text and then went over to open the door for the shooter. Why no police investigation of the accomplice?.”

What I find odd is that none of these witness's commented on his orange/red hair. I realize he may have had on a cap but that theater was filled to capacity. Someone had to have been sitting next to him or directly behind him yet no one said “the guy with the bright red hair got a call”.

6 posted on 08/02/2012 11:10:45 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: darth

A very interesting anomaly is Obama’s press conference at the hospital. Where he talks about a spurting neck wound that is supposed to explain all the blood behind the theater. No way. There are a lot of strange details.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTKWch9WKzQ&feature=related


10 posted on 08/02/2012 2:13:15 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: darth
If he had an accomplice, check out Dr. Fenton’s other students under her care.
14 posted on 08/02/2012 4:59:35 PM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus: here, there, everywhere. Join them. Join us.)
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To: darth
1. We have witnesses on video telling news reporters that someone in the theater got a cell call or text and then went over to open the door for the shooter. Why no police investigation of the accomplice?

Most likely the witnesses are simply mistaken. Probably, Holmes faked getting an urgent call and ducked out the exit door, propping it open. Believing him just trying to avoid disturbing the audience, people who saw him do it were not alarmed and saw no need to secure the door or summon ushers. Then he went to his car, conveniently parked a few feet away, suited up, grabbed his arsenal, and returned for the attack.

As for accomplices, it was reported the police were interested in a Korean grad student attending the same school as Holmes. But he was cleared of any involvement.

2. The shooter had his face covered. How do they know it was Holmes? Could the shooter have escaped while leaving Holmes dressed in a matching outfit to take the rap?

Absurd conspiracy theory. There is no need to introduce a "real shooter". It makes far more sense that he acted alone. His apartment was rigged to blow up and divert the emergency responders. It took days to unrig it.

3. Holmes was waiting quietly in his car for cops. What happened to the homicidal maniac? So he went totally docile?

I'll grant you, that was strange. I would have expected "suicide by cop" or, at least, a better get-away plan.

4. Holmes appears to be almost totally dazed and incompetent now. How did he learn to make explosives and “sophisticated” booby traps?

He's faking his insanity. As for his explosives expertise, remember, he was, until very recently, a grad student in a highly technical field.

5. Are there people and groups evil enough to shoot up a theater and blame it on an insane man? For this question, I have an answer...YES.

Who? CIA? NSA? KGB? DNC? Of course, any of those outfits — even the last one — would never come up with anything with so many ways to go wrong. And, at minimum, they would have made sure their patsy didn't fall into police hands.

The glaring gap in news coverage is “Who knew he was insane and failed to intervene or report it?”

Remember Charlie Whitman in 1966? From his doctor's notes (Wikipedia):

Dr. Heatly's notes on the visit confirmed the visit with Whitman, reflecting his claim of hostilities: "This massive, muscular youth seemed to be oozing with hostility...that something seemed to be happening to him and that he didn't seem to be himself." Dr. Heatley also referenced an ominous statement that Whitman did not refer to in his letter, "He readily admits having overwhelming periods of hostility with a very minimum of provocation. Repeated inquiries attempting to analyze his exact experiences were not too successful with the exception of his vivid reference to 'thinking about going up on the tower with a deer rifle and start shooting people'." Whitman never visited Dr. Heatly again.

History doesn't repeat, but sometimes it rhymes nicely.

17 posted on 08/02/2012 5:31:54 PM PDT by cynwoody
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