A Win/Win for ABO’s and ABR’s

7/12/12 | bestiq

[bestiq]

Agreed!

But how do we fix this now?

[Kansas58]

try to catch up

the primary season is over

Now you either support Obama or you do not support Obama.

Romney is the ONLY person who can possibly beat Obama, now.

You, obviously, support Obama.

If Obama is reelected, it will be a win for Marxism and radical Lefist views. That is simply a fact.

Romney is not perfect, nobody is.

However, Romney is our only hope at this time, there is no other option.

And? Again to my point: It is very difficult, in a Presidential election year, maybe even IMPOSSIBLE, for a Party to lose a Presidential race yet gain members in Congress, especially in the Senate.

You are harming the Conservative cause, and looking rather petty in the process.

[bestiq]

Diogenesis is definitely NOT for Obama.

You may be surprised this year. Romney might not win the presidency, but I’m sure we’ll gain everywhere else.

It is not harming the Conservative cause to refuse to vote for someone who is not Conservative.

[so_real]

Is that you, John Boehner? Is that still your message to genuine conservatives, to "get your ass in line"? How's that working out for you? Sure, I'll work for a conservative congress, and a conservative POTUS too. It's easy. All you have to do is look at the ballot and avoid the candidates you know are pro-abortion, pro-bailout, pro-amnesty, pro-homosexualization, pro-guncontrol, pro-stimulus, and pro-deathpanel. That rules out Obama. Shame, it rules out Romney too. See how easy that is? And if you and every God-fearing, America-loving patriot marks their ballot that way, we can actually reverse the downward spiral we're in. Romney is bad for America; and judging from the hostility in your post you are either a republican first and conservative second, or in the back of your mind, you know I'm right.

[Kansas58]

Ok, lets look at your logic and the “Logic” of all the anti Romney types on this site:

You say there is “no difference” between Obama and Romney, yet it is CLEAR that every Republican on the ballot will have to support Romney, publicly. That is just the way elections work.

By your constant attacks against Romney, you are making it harder for Conservative Republicans.

A UNITED Party is the best shot we have to take the Senate and hold the House.

Have you EVER run a political campaign?

If you can't support Romney, I disagree with you but that would not upset me, in itself, by itself.

The problem is that active, open opposition to Romney does hurt our chances, in other races.

It just does.

[so_real]

Regrettably, I did not kick McCain to the curb. I voted for Sarah Palin and he went with the package deal. It was a brilliant move, on McCain's part, to tease us with Palin. It certainly helped him a great deal. But not even that move could drag him across the finish line in victory. As such, I don't think Romney has a shot at all, especially considering his disdain for Palin and all things conservative.

We got another RINO this time around simply because the GOP-e believed that when push came to shove, we'd act like good little republicans and tow the party line. For as long as we do that, we will continue to receive their RINO hand me downs. I should not have voted for McCain. I should not have acted like a good little republican. It's a mistake I don't aim to repeat.

Find out who the POTUS candidates will be on your state's ballot. Determine if there is one you can support without sacrificing your principles. Vote for him or her even if there is no "R" behind his or name. If you don't have such a candidate on your ballot, write someone in. Virgil Goode is on my ballot and gaining popularity. I think he makes for a fine suggestion. Then say a prayer and get a good night's sleep. A good chunk of the population is going to spend election day trying to install another statist / socialist president. And, if they succeed and Obama or Romney wins, we'll have another four years of fight ahead of us -- so you'll need that rest.

[bestiq]

Yes, Virgil Goode is on the top of my list so far.

[Fledermaus]

To do what? Water down or stop everything conservative coming from the House that Boehner doesn’t stop?

Working “across the aisle” with left wing libs and RINO’s to “get something done” regardless of the damage it causes?

Growing the size of government just slower than the Dems?

Let’s face it, the GOP hasn’t got a good track record when it comes to running the Senate.

[cynwoody]

I disagree 100% with this factually inaccurate statement [that "it is naive to think that we can take the Senate and retain the House, without a Romney win"]. The Republicans gained the House of Representatives in 2010 with Obama as President.

2010 was about Obama's policies. They lost. If Obama himself had been on the ballot in 2010, he, too, would have lost, and the Republican, be it Mittens or someone else, would be President. That's how elections work. A big wave sweeps the bad guys out. No big wave, the bad guys, or most of them, stay in, and you have divided government at best.

2012 needs to be like 2010, only more so. GOP House, Senate, and White House! The veto pen must be in Republican hands. The power to appoint Supreme Court justices must be Republican.

The proper rallying cry must be "Oust Obama!", not "Anybody but Obama!". The latter allows for counterproductive behavior at the polls.

[Sola Veritas]

“I live on the West Coast. My conservative vote is not going to matter. I am not, and would not, vote for Romney, I’m writing in someone else. I just wish everyone in these blue states would do the same since their vote is not going to matter either.”

All my previous “rancor” aside. I really wished conservatives would vote for someone other than Romney in all states. Then I wished they would elect a strong group of really conservative GOP members to the House and Senate.

This would send a strong message to the GOPe that foisting a “Romney” on us will not be allowed anymore. IF we were running a conservative like Newt, Cain, Santorum, etc. I believe we could win the election and send Obama into unemployment. I don’t think Romney can win, and he certainly won’t do so with my vote and others like me - a significant and growing number.

IF Romney were to win, I’m afraid he would set back conservatism maybe forever. Obama is so horrific he actually helps make the case for conservatives in the House and Senate. I expect strong gains in both houses.

[Sola Veritas]

“By your constant attacks against Romney, you are making it harder for Conservative Republicans.”

That just isn’t correct reasoning. Romney DOES NOT help conservatives get elected, he hurts their chances. He will have NO “coattails” effect should he be elected. He election would be an “anti-Obama” vote, not a pro-Romney one.

Romney is NOT a true conservative. True conservatives running for office MUST distance themselves from him. “Party Loyalty” will be the death of anyone wanting to be elected as a “conservative Republican.” The GOPe is to be steadfastly opposed.

[so_real]

You say there is “no difference” between Obama and Romney

Not quite. I say Romney is only half as bad as Obama, similar in the way Chiang Kai-shek is only half as bad as Adolph Hitler. Though potentially he is more damaging as that "R" behind his name gives him the ability to damage the "Republican" brand for elections to come.

By your constant attacks against Romney, you are making it harder for Conservative Republicans.

I verbally lambaste *all* pro-abortion, pro-bailout, pro-amnesty, pro-homosexualization, pro-guncontrol, pro-stimulus, and pro-deathpanel candidates. Romney walked into that line of fire of his own free will. I expect most of the "Conservative" Republicans of which you speak have the good sense not to follow in his steps.

Have you EVER run a political campaign?

No. I get invited to the parties, and I attend them when it suits me, but I don't plan them.

A UNITED Party is the best shot we have to take the Senate and hold the House.

United around what? Disarmament? Socialized Medicine? Abortion? Crony Capitalism? Sorry, I won't join you around that camp fire. But you are welcome at mine.

The problem is that active, open opposition to Romney does hurt our chances, in other races.

As evidenced in history with the utter failure of John McCain while Republicans made great strides in the House, Senate, and gubernatorial races, you are mistaken. The whole "party unity" thing crumbles as "the party" spits in our eye. The days of straight ticket voting are waning.

[so_real]

2010 was about Obama's policies. They lost. If Obama himself had been on the ballot in 2010, he, too, would have lost, and the Republican, be it Mittens or someone else, would be President.

If Romney wins in 2012, I will have no choice to but to admit this statement is correct. I have, however, been saying even before the primaries got in full swing that Romney is the one and only horse in the race guaranteed to lose to Obama. I still feel my earlier analysis is accurate. We'll know for sure in a few short months.

[Kansas58]

wrong on your history.

The Republican Party LOST seats everywhere, when Obama was elected.

[Kansas58]

Virgil Goode, a former Democrat without a perfect voting record, himself? And did he not lose a House race?

[so_real]

Yeah, I guess I could have worded that better. McCain failed in 2008, the conservatives gained in 2010. Obama began pushing harder left in 2010, the conservatives will gain in November 2012. If Romney fails in 2012, the conservatives will gain again in 2014. You catch my drift. It's a steady climb for us as long as liberals are denied. But, as soon as we put a luke-warm republican like GWB, or a flat out liberal like Romney, in the executive office, it's 2008 all over again in the election following that.

[bestiq]

Yeah, I know. Thinking John Galt might be a better choice.

[Kansas58]

Obama must be defeated -—

No matter what, Obama must go!

[so_real]

Obama must be defeated -— No matter what, Obama must go!

And on that, we agree. I simply prefer that he go with impeachment papers or handcuffs and not be replaced by a comparable wolf in sheep's clothing.

[cynwoody]

I say Romney is only half as bad as Obama, similar in the way Chiang Kai-shek is only half as bad as Adolph Hitler.

No doubt Chiang would have found your ratio calculation amusing.

Chiang Kai Shek, Madame Chiang, Gen Joe Stillwell
19 April 1942, the day after the Doolittle Raid