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To: trailhkr1

That is all gossip and heresay of a mob who now need to justify themselves for getting a Christian man put in jail for having Bible studies. The man was sent to jail for having Bible meetings in his home. He was not sent to jail for all the gossip nonsense and would have been if he really did refuse to obey all laws as this pack of hyenas claim.

They know what they did has pissed off the country and now they are trying to justify their mob action witch hunt against a Christian man by demonizing him. In truth, we don’t know what happened and who he is.


4 posted on 07/08/2012 9:04:50 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
They know what they did has pissed off the country and now they are trying to justify their mob action witch hunt against a Christian man by demonizing him. In truth, we don’t know what happened and who he is.

Sure we do...over 60+ neighbors are all wrong?? Face it, this guy brought everything on himself. As the neighbors mentioned in the article, he was his own worst enemy as he was unwilling to be reasonable about anything.

Face it SJ, a person who thinks he is exempt from traffic tickets because he has "diplomatic immunity" from God is not dealing with a full deck.

5 posted on 07/08/2012 9:11:47 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchen)
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To: SaraJohnson

What is one to do when their exercise of their property rights severely affects the property rights of their neighbors? Freedom of religion seems secondary to property rights in this instance. The religious freedom of this guy is a problem only when he violates zoning laws and inconveniences his neighbors. What if the Muslim next door to you sounds the call to prayer five times daily and has prayers at his house in a residential neighborhood with residential zoning?


8 posted on 07/08/2012 9:17:09 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: SaraJohnson
In truth, we don’t know what happened and who he is.

You might try going to the article and reading all of it.


11 posted on 07/08/2012 9:27:43 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SaraJohnson

I have had to stand my ground many times in giving out gospel tracts in public, but this sounds too much like Ken Hovind’s unreasonable insistence that he was exempt from building codes, etc.

And maybe it will help to repeat what i said in the original thread on this,

From what I read the man want to have public meetings three times a week in a 2,000 square foot building, which has a pulpit and chairs for as many as 40 people, which he built after obtaining a a permit to convert a garage into a game room.

The city of Phoenix forbids any other occupancy or use, which can be sticky (what if they played Bible games), but the man apparently could have a church there if he complied with the normal requirements for such.

The question is whether the state has a legit interest is not only insuring homes are safely built, but that meeting houses of a certain size can require more safety features.

And at what size or frequency does having regular meetings for any purpose at your house require these extra requirements.

These are legit questions as i see them, and both sides need to be reasonable, with tolerance but not compromise, which can be a grey area.


14 posted on 07/08/2012 9:35:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: SaraJohnson
I don't believe a word of that.
A jackass is a jackass.
When "christians start" behaving like muslims, and making up their own rules, they deserve every grief possible.
19 posted on 07/08/2012 9:59:19 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: SaraJohnson
Folks who do the "home church' thing probably ought to prepare ahead of time for the crowd ~ and select locations where their neighbors won't be particularly disturbed.

Moving into an existing residentially zoned community and starting up a church ~ that attracts strangers, not all of whom can be assumed to be honest ~ may well create the appearance of endangering the neighbors.

They have a right of self-defense. God gave it to them.

20 posted on 07/08/2012 10:00:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SaraJohnson

We most likely do! Do a little research for yourself for once. Bible Studies are held in homes all over Our Great America everyday! Yet, we hear nothing of them being shutdown, nor even harassed. I have held a Bible Study in my home once a week for the last five years, sometimes up to 20-25 participants and never a complaint. I would love to blame this single incident on the Bamster Muslim terrorist in the Oval Office, but I believe the Neighbor’s version on this one. You are welcome to flame me all You wish on this one, I will take it with a grain of Salt!


47 posted on 07/08/2012 1:42:39 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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