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To: RansomOttawa; JCBreckenridge

You two aren’t thinking clearly. What they are doing is worse than what PETA does. You don’t go out in the public and display human disgusting photos or yell at people or follow them, or allow them to be seen by passing children and families.....you only turn people against you. That’s not the way to change peoples minds. Hand out education or other information in a sane peaceful way..and change the law.


36 posted on 06/19/2012 9:26:25 AM PDT by Fawn
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To: Fawn

“You don’t go out in the public and display human disgusting photos”

So what you are saying is that the photos are disgusting because they represent human remains?

“yell at people or follow them”

Clearly you’ve not been there. CCBR simply stands by the displays, and people walk by them. They do not yell at anybody, nor do they follow them.

If people do not want to see them, they can walk away.

“allow them to be seen by passing children and families”

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that an abortion doctor, doing an abortion behind closed doors is ok? He’s not forcing any children or families to see what he is doing.

If not, why not?

“That’s not the way to change peoples minds.”

They changed my mind on this issue, so I will respectfully assert that you are wrong. I know I’m not the only one either.

If you want to do things the way that you feel is appropriate, by all means.


38 posted on 06/19/2012 9:48:24 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Fawn
You two aren’t thinking clearly.

Of course I'm thinking clearly. Yes, the pictures are disturbing and disgusting. I've already acknowledged that; it's kind of the point.

What I'm not doing is allowing my emotional reaction to those images to cloud my judgment. If my only reaction was, "Oh, sick, disgusting, get those horrible things out of my sight," and I then refused to even contemplate what those pictures represent, and whether I want to live in a country where such a thing is legal and unrestricted, then I would not be thinking clearly.

What they are doing is worse than what PETA does.

The reality that they are protesting is worse than what PETA is protesting. Emphatically so, since I don't buy into PETA's flawed assumptions that animals are humans' equals.

But if I accepted for the sake of argument that meat is murder, then I would also accept PETA's use of graphic images of dead animals to change people's minds. Just because I think their message is bogus, doesn't necessarily invalidate their means of suasion.

. . . or allow them to be seen by passing children and families.....you only turn people against you.

Since this incident, the CCBR have put up a more in-depth blog post about it (The Thunder Bay Assault: A Child's Conscience Versus a Man's Anger). It turns out that Brian, the chocolate-milk assaulter had a small child with him. She wasn't traumatized by the offensive pictures. She wanted to know: what happened to the baby? Why did it get hurt? It appears that Brian attacked the pro-lifers at least partly because their presentation didn't upset her as it did him.

That’s not the way to change peoples minds.

The fact that it does change minds, and one person on this thread has already said it changed his mind, belies this assertion.

Hand out education or other information in a sane peaceful way..

Just by way of reminder, remember which side was peacefully holding up signs and talking to passers-by, and which side was flinging chocolate milk.

and change the law.

Changing the law is not going to happen in our present political reality. We have a liberal Supreme Court, and a government which, though headed by a pro-life Prime Minister, refuses to reopen the abortion debate in Canada. CCBR's mission isn't to make abortion illegal; it's to make abortion unthinkable. When we've managed the latter, then we can take care of the former.

44 posted on 06/20/2012 4:23:15 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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