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To: spunkets
"Yes it does."

No it doesn't.

"1: a photographic print in white on a bright blue ground or blue on a white ground used especially for copying maps, mechanical drawings, and architects' plans "2: something resembling a blueprint (as in serving as a model or providing guidance); especially : a detailed plan or program of action "

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blueprint

Nothing in there saying that it must represent every key element of a thing. Try again.

"You said your god defined himself and I pointed out that he could not have, because one must exist before they define themselves."

So, your real argument is just that you don't think a God can exist, and therefore He couldn't define Himself? That's a belief, not a truth.

"Note 2c, which you just posted to me: "2c : a product of defining.""

So what? God defines Himself, producing the definition, the product of His defining.

"Description, not definition. Point out where your deity described himself as being supernatural."

No, because again, you're just trying to shift the argument to a theological one in order to avoid addressing the original point. It's getting tiring.

"Limited is relative, nevertheless the limits are not sufficient to prevent them from being known, understood and being made. "

It's necessary to know the limits of any endeavor to gain knowledge, otherwise you may assume that you can know things through those means which are beyond the scope of your investigation. That's the whole crux of my original point. Science can only study one type of sentient, rational machine, and can only assume that any knowledge gained from that study will apply to anything else (again, another assumption of the scientific method, that properties of a subset reflect all the properties of a larger set). That places a definite limit on the type of statements and conclusions that you are trying to draw.

"Which god? Muhumed's character?"

Again, I've already said I'm not going to take your bait and shift to a theological argument, stop trying to confuse the issue.

55 posted on 06/19/2012 10:58:14 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
"Nothing in there(blueprint) saying that it must represent every key element of a thing. Try again."

You are not a very good engineer.

"So, your real argument is just that you don't think a God can exist, and therefore He couldn't define Himself? That's a belief, not a truth. "

No. I believe that men define gods, because they don't know any. Besides that, no one can define themselves. they can describe themselves, but not define themselves.

Re: Point out where your deity described himself as being supernatural."

" No, because again, you're just trying to shift the argument to a theological one in order to avoid addressing the original point.

You brought up the deity, supernatural, god, ect..., you just refuse to acknowledge it.

Re: "Which god? Muhumed's character?"

" Again, I've already said I'm not going to take your bait and shift to a theological argument, stop trying to confuse the issue.

You're tangled in your own net.

59 posted on 06/19/2012 11:25:59 AM PDT by spunkets
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