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1 posted on 06/10/2012 6:04:27 PM PDT by moonshot925
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Whatever happened to those lists of his that he waved around in front of the Senate?


49 posted on 06/11/2012 7:09:09 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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I think that the Rosenberg case is the entry into a deeply jewish story; One that tracks very closely to the story of Joseph going down to Egypt in the bible.

While stalin was deeply anti semetic, his secret police from the 20’s -40’s was 30+% jewish and russian jews were second only in numbers to russians in the soviet communist party and politburo.

Stalin planned to rectify that with the Doctor’s Plot purge in 1953. (He began to distrust the loyalty of russian jews as he feared that israeli and american jews would team up with russian jews to overturn russian sovereignty—a fear not too dissimilar to modern day Iran—except that the iranians have already pushed out their own Jews.)The camps had already been built, the initial hundred or so jewish plotters had already been killed, russia’s newspapers were baying for jewish blood when stalin died.

In the USA communism was all rage during the 20’s and 30’s in US colleges where many of the recruits for russia’s spy network were recruited through the communist party. (similar things are happening today with the chinese—but not through communist party connections.) Communism was seen as a way up in life for many jewish leftists.

The US counter intelligence cracked the Russian code in 1945. (Just as earlier the German and Japanese codes had been broken.) The Russians had spies even in US counter intelligence so the Russians learned that their codes had been compromised in 1948—and changed them. The numbers of spies in the US government that were deciphered by the venona cables were roughly similar to the number proposed by McCarthy.

The US counter intelligence informed the FBI in 1948 about the the russian spies but told the FBI that they had to find their own evidence against the spies that the venona transcripts identified. In most cases the FBI was unable to do so. When the first several arrests were made in 1948, most of the spies fled the country or simply stepped out of government—so they stopped leaving an evidence trail.

This troubled J Edgar Hoover. So he began weekly talks with Joseph McCarthy that corresponded almost to the day with McCarthy hearings. The problem that J Edgar Hoover presented to McCarthy was the same problem that the NSA presented to the FBI. The NSA fingered the spies but told the FBI they had to find their own evidence. Hoover talked of communists but required of McCarthy that he provide his own evidence. McCarthy could not come up with the evidence in most cases but the kinds of questions that he asked are standard questions that anyone has to answer if they are to get a security clearance today. That is, in the 40’s no security clearances were required to do top secret work.

The the Rosenbergs were among the few communist spies that were nabbed and the only ones executed in 1953. The communists mindful of events in the soviet union and knowledgeable of how stalin worked in the 30’s—took McCarthy’s hearings as a show trial and the rosenburg execution as the preliminary killing to a massive purg/pogrom/holocaust of jews as stalin was set up to do.

Therefor the communists painted the death of the Rosenbergs was an existential threat to the american jewish community. which to american jews made tribal enemies of everyone in america who was not a leftist.

why does the russian jewish experience track so well with the story of Joseph? well remember that joseph interpreted the pharoah’s dream about the seven fat cows and seven skinny cows and how that signaled 7 years of fortune and 7 years of famine. so the pharaoh put joseph in charge of the country. joseph filled the graineries in the seven fat years. but the egyptian people did not store up any grain. so when the 7 famine years came the egyptians first sold their land to the pharoah, then they sold their animals and then they sold themselves as slaves to the pharoah.

The important thing to understand here is that the relationship of the egyptians to the pharoah was the same as the russians relationship to stalin. neither owned property. both worshiped the the god king.(in God’s economy—when you ban God —not nothing is placed on the throne of Grace—no not that. Rather Man is placed on the throne of Grace. Men are elevated to gods as happened with pharoah and stalin. Even the burial ceremonies ceremonies of egypt and the soviet union were even similar. finally in both russia and egypt the god king was served by a jewish administrative class.

the downfall of the jews in egypt and russia is also similar. genesis ends with a cecil b demille fade to black. exodus begins with “and then came a pharoah who did not know joseph” and the tables were turned on the joseph’s people. they were made slaves by the Egyptians. Moses then took them out of egypt back to israel

The russian’s did not carry out Stalin’s doctor’s plot pogrom. However, they remembered. When it became clear that communism would not work in the 1970’s, russia’s jews took the blame. they were driven out of the communist party and
then driven out of the country. many of them went to israel. many were brought out of Russia by the great anti communist Meir Kahane—who was killed by a moslem in 1990 in new york. Why? Well that’s another story but you could also say the times were changing or the worm turned.

In an acknowledgement of the changing times I read a jersusalem post writer a couple years ago talk about a visit he made to Germany. He understood the role that russian jews played in Stalin’s great purges that killed millions. So he wanted to go to Germany to say let’s let bygones by bygones. But he said the Germans just wouldn’t hear of it. They felt their guilt and debt was eternal and unforgivable.

Given the way the USA is unraveling in the face moslem mexican and chinese onslaughts. it might be helpful to get this story right.


50 posted on 06/11/2012 7:26:37 AM PDT by ckilmer
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Seriously? Since the Bolshevik Revolution the left was foaming at the mouth for a similar outcome in America. Perennial Presidential candidate Norman Thomas was on the right track. America allied with the Soviets in WWII and along comes Joe to piss on their parade. It's telling that American educators since the Red Scare have focused on the evils of "McCarthyism" rather than the realities of Communism.
52 posted on 06/11/2012 11:41:11 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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