Like I said my friend. Background noise and a field mouse in the field during n Elk hunt.
What this individual will not tell you is the background of what occurred to the LDS People in the 1830s and 1840s at the hands of Missourians leading up to this.
it does not justify it in the least, but it helps one understand the emoptions and feelings that led to it. I;ll take just a minute because LDS men women and children were also killed in places like Hahns Mill, Far West, and then finally in Navouu.
That does not make right what those people in southern Utah did to the Arkansas and Missourian settlers who were passing through their territory...but at the time the US giovernment had sent an Army to Salt Lake to try and put the Mormons in their place again and there was a general unstelled and fervored feelings in the entire territoy.
There was talk that some of the Missourians who joined with this Arkansas Wagon Train were bragging about the rape and murder they had committed on Mormons back east as they passed through. If it had been me, and had my relatives had been raped and killed by mobsters a few years earlier, I would have found it hard not to enter their camp and ask for the people making the claims to step forward and had the teritotrial sheriff with me to arrest them.
But they did not do that, instead they killed them all except the very young. It was horribly wrong and ultimately the ring leader was hung for it. Other’s, LDS people should have been hung as well because of their involvement...just as bad as what had been perpetrated on them back in Missouri and Illinois.
But there was a background to it and this person will never tell the whole story.
A penny will get you a dollar that they come on now...or soon...and somehow lessen or justify what went on in Missouri and Illinoise when the LDS were driven out of those states by religious bigots of that day, and raped, and murdered, and all of their belongings taken. Let’s watch and see if they flock in here and tell you and me how terrible we are, how the LDS that were killed were somehow justified in being killed, or had it coming, or that their deaths really didn’t even happen at those places.
Their deaths do not justify what happened at Mountain Meadows in 1857, but it does provide the background and context.
Fact is, all of it was wrong and bad...killing innocents in such a manner, out of spite, bigotry or revenge is never justified.
Like you said, a whole lot of that went on back then. It was a hard time as the nation and wilderness was settled, and much larger massacres occured. I hope and pray we are long past that sort of thing...but emotions, hunger, ideologs, mobocracy, and difficult times can awaken such terrible things. That’s why it is important to be close to like minded people in numbers and be prepared with food, shelter and arms and ammo with those folks...and be far enough away from the major urban areas where such things could easily get out of hand quickly if the society collapsed, that they cannot get to you in such times.
That’s one reason me and mine are in rural Idaho where we pretty much know everyone and most are prepared and will help one another should it get difficult.
Dirt, our door’s always open to you. Hope you remember that if the need ever arises.
Anyhow, once again, God’s speed to you my friend. And in the mean time...I’d just leave the field mouse alone during this Elk Hunt.
Jeff, thanks for the best example of poisoning the well that I have seen in years. Philosophers classify this as a type of ad hominem argument because it preemptively attacks any PERSON who raises an objection without considering the ARGUMENT.
Let me ask you this question: Why did the Amish, the Shakers, the Mennonites, the Hutterites, and other non-conventional religion groups have no such difficulties in the same areas?
Review the underlined portion of your quote. Isn't that exactly what you did when you brought up the LDS Missouri situation to "explain" the context of the Mountain Meadows Massacre (despite your self-serving claims in the earlier post of not trying to justify the MMM).
Thanks, Jeff - that is nice to know since I'm living a mile away from the border of Filth-a-delphia.
Anyhow, once again, God’s speed to you my friend. And in the mean time...I’d just leave the field mouse alone during this Elk Hunt.
I'm taking my dad's advice now - never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. I leave the pig to her filthy stye.