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Has CO2 warmed the planet at all in the last 50 years? It’s harder to tell than you think.
JoNova ^ | May 5th, 2012 | Jo Nova and Tony Cox

Posted on 05/07/2012 12:43:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: az_gila
DMSP = Satellites

Thanks much. I sorta figured it was something like that.

21 posted on 05/07/2012 8:12:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CodeToad
Google it. It’s mostly declassified.

az_gila already posted that they're satellites. Thanks.

22 posted on 05/07/2012 8:14:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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23 posted on 05/08/2012 8:29:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Something decidedly unusual happened to the world in 1977 and we don't know for sure what it was. The world got warmer, and the change "stuck"

The warming from CO2 is steady and gradual, but the storage of the extra heat in the ocean (and loss of heat to the deep ocean) is nonlinear. So we would expect jumps up. The best known jump came with the 1998 El Nino. The 2010 El Nino had no jump (ocean ran out of extra warmth? Negative PDO? can't say for sure).

But the jumps are not "proof" that CO2 has no warming effect or increasing CO2 does not increase warmth

24 posted on 05/09/2012 3:08:59 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: spawn44
There is not enough CO2 in the earth's atmosphere to cause any meaningful warming and there will not be in the future. CO2 regulates itself naturally. That is something the socialist left does not want to hear.

The CO2 in the atmosphere causes the atmosphere to be warmer than it would be without it. The CO2 fluctuates naturally each year, but the year over year rise is from the inability of the ocean to absorb the extra man made CO2. If we stopped creating it, CO2 would turn and drop and be 1/2 way back to preindustrial in about 40 years.

The socialist left conflates catastrophic AGW with benign AGW. The catastrophe is only supported by models and will only occur in a century or two if at all (the melting of Greenland). The left knew this all along so they invented the new catastrophe of weird weather. They of course point to Katrina even though that was a man-made disaster and we have had only one landfalling hurricane since (which had no landfalling hurricane winds). They talk about strong tornadoes out of ignorance (they require cold dry air along with warm moist air and are in a long term decline).

If you want to fight the socialist left then simply point out that their solutions won't work (solar and wind are too diffuse). Point out that the increases in rainfall (if they make that claim) are increases in the water cycle and cause global cooling. There are huge holes in the theory of catastrophic warming without resorting to throwing away well-established greenhouse physics.

25 posted on 05/09/2012 3:20:49 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When the SUN loses it’s fuel and it expands beyond the orbit of the Earth, what will ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/environmental wackos.. have to complain about then?

(Think I answered my own question-never mind.)


26 posted on 05/09/2012 3:25:46 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("All 57 states, or is it 58, must stand together and defeat O-bozo! VOTE the usurper out!!")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Much as I hate to admit it global warming is man made - the effect is better known as the Clean Air Act. This legislation mandated that particulate emissions be reduced. It it widely accepted that particulates emitted during volcanic eruptions were the cause of global cooling episodes. Therefore we can blame Congress and President Nixon for the warming that stared in the late 70’s.


27 posted on 05/09/2012 3:43:17 AM PDT by monocle
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I remember the enviro-whackos claiming that freon was the culprit. When industry stopped using freon the enviro-whackos suddenly said, “Oops! We were wrong. It wasn’t the freon, it is the CO2!” Not many people on the left can see this obvious lie.

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. That fear was about the Ozone layer, for which they banned certain chlorofluorocarbons (Freon).

28 posted on 05/09/2012 9:54:35 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Paradox

“I’m sorry, but you are mistaken.”

My point was not trying to make the direct connection. My point was that these whackos, when confronted with reality, will always find something else to further their cause. :-)


29 posted on 05/09/2012 11:10:23 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
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