Posted on 04/17/2012 8:27:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
AUSTIN – The fatal shooting of a pet dog by an Austin Police Department officer over the weekend is sparking outrage near and far.
As of Monday evening, close to 22,000 people had hit the "Like" button on a Facebook page called “Justice for Cisco,” the name of Austinite Michael Paxton's dog, which was killed by an officer.
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“Rural property should be treated with great respect as regarding privacy and trespassing, and its animal inhabitants likewise”.
So... you are saying that people who live on ten acres have more rights than someone living in a townhome? How about a condo or an apartment? I guess those people shouldn’t have any sort of property rights.
“I expect an officer of the law to do likewise, and you ought to respect this person and authority likewise”. Respect is earned. Just because some person went to 22 weeks of rookie school.. doesn’t mean he or she automatically can do whatever they want. Some law enforcement officers are good people. Some aren’t. Some are jack booted, seal team wannabees... getting off on their “authority”.
You have got to be one of the biggest morons I have seen on this site for some time. The officer was wrong he should have waited for backup and he had no reason to have his weapon drawn. Respect is earned not given and just because you have a badge doesn’t give you the right to be an a**hole. I hope the owner sues the crap out of the APD they deserve it and as for the officer he should find another line of work he just isn’t cut out for LE.
I really respect your taking the time to answer this topic with experience and wisdom.
I am simply not tolerant with dog-lovers who get illogically rabid far oftener and sooner than their pooch pals. I love good, well-behaving dogs as friends. But I do not have one myself because of the tremendous responsibility for training and caring for one. Some people won't even train their kids, let alone their dog(s). Both require it to be decent citizens.
With appreciation -- (See Romans 13:1-5, regarding LEOs, who are appointed by God as His ministers. I always hope that all LEOs take this Scriptural commission very seriously.)
The blue line has brought low the reputation and stature of the police because they continue to protect each other more than the citizens they are supposed to protect. Many officers are good but they fail to speak up when an officer is bad or when they make mistakes. In this case the officer at least made a mistake. The shooting of this animal was not a good shoot. Being a LEO is not a license to kill at will. But many LEOs will back up another officer no matter what and that is wrong.
Bubba, the dear old black lab, is 11 also. He has a really scary bark, sounds like he means it.
He would not hurt a soul. He loves everyone and every animal.
But he sounds a little scary. If police come to the door, think I would put him in another room.
I had to beg a cable repair guy to come in...he was from Nigeria and really afraid of Bubba. I had to swear that Bubba wouldn’t hurt him. Bubba was fine but he kept giving nervous glances toward him. Different culture, I guess.
No, what I am saying is that in a village or urban environment you have much greater responsibilities toward those who share the same space with you. Particularly with training your pooch and with his potential dangerous qualities. I've seen too many children whose beauty has been permanently marred by the unpredictable behavior of a dog.
Respect is earned. Just because some person went to 22 weeks of rookie school...
No, one respects the office. That is to be given as a matter of you, representatively, having appointed him/her to the office. What you think of the person is up to you. But 22 months or 22 years, they carry the authority to arrest and/or dispense summary justice on the spot, if so called for. Thinking otherwise would be foolish. Respect is something to be given, say for instance, a 12 gauge shotgun. That gun never needs to earn respect, whether thought to be loaded or unloaded.
Well, I'm not an LEO nor would I ever want to be, with this kind of support. But I'm thinking this a response you might like to try out on the next trooper who stops you for a traffic infraction, or who drags you out of your car after an accident? True respect is not something that ever has to be earned.
With respect --
The whole incident is more or less caught on cam and shown on one of the in-thread links above. Check it out if you have time.
This is almost exactly how I viewed the Troopers after my first run-in with the New York State Police at the age of 11 years old. Not good for a Methodist preacher's son. The Trooper was almost as formidable as my father in the outcome. At least the Trooper did not lay a hand on me --
Have a good day --
TR, it wouldn’t work the first two times I went to the link. Finally it did, but that was after I had already posted. The vid does shed a bit more light on the subject, but from the top of my head, I can think of 20 more questions that I would ask in an internal investigation. Frankly, from what I have seen/read, I do not believe that this dog needed to die....
I decided not to follow up with any new post, because I hate these debates when some folks don’t have a clue about reality and many just shoot from the hip/lip. My primary intent was to answer the questions that I was asked by a single poster-—long winded that I tend to be, LOL, and then get out of the discussion.
This crap has got to stop.
Exactly. One of these days, and it may not be long, some punk LEO is going to shoot the wrong dog and will be promptly blown away by the dog's owner.
After that happens, these punks with a badge will be more circumspect about drawing that gun.
Respect must always be earned it is never giving just because of a badge. If I were to be pulled I would be respectful simple because it is the prudent thing to do anything less is just stupid. All intelligent adults know this. I'm pretty sure you know this but you seem to be oblivious to the sheer number of dogs shot by LEO for no good reason. This has to stop the LEO's in this country have changed and not for the better. It is now more of a paramilitary operation than a peace keeping one. Not all fall into this category I would think that the gung ho types are in the minority at least I hope they are. The cops I meet here are friendly for the most part. The only thing I see is they tend to be a little standoffish. This may be because of the nasty people they deal with. I find that if one is nice that you get that in return. Having said that if a LEO comes one my property and shots one of my dogs for no reason on my property there will be hell to pay.
The APD announced today that there would be a thorough investigation. This is not a closed case. The police officer officer’s behavior after the shooting was despicable. He showed no humanity to the crying owner even after he realized he was at the wrong house. BTW, my brother is a cop (20 years.) He would be the first to tell you that your “blind faith” in cops is misplaced. Why didn’t he wait for back-up if he felt the situation was so dangerous he had to enter the property with his gun drawn?
If I was a city councilman in Austin I’d bring up the motion to have cops kill unwanted dogs just to show how inhumane it is. I’ve never heard of an incident of a cop shooting a dog where the evidence justified the shooting.
This is a city that hired a guy with a bow and arrow to kill feral hogs because they didn’t want anyone shooting them with guns. Yet a cop shoots a dog and gets away with it.
So, if i have this straight, an intruder shot a non-government employee citizen’s dog and the intruder expects to be immune from criminal charges because he is a government employee?
““We’re sorry that the dog owner lost his dog over the incident,” said Sgt. Daniels. “It’s an unfortunate situation, but the officer was basically in retreat, and he fired his weapon in self-defense.” “
He has it backwards; the dog was on its property and was where it was supposed to be.
The officer wasn’t at the right address. He was NOT where he was supposed to be.
Therefore, the dog was truly defending, and the officer was truly intruding.
If you think you deserve respect, tell me why.
With respect --
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