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To: Boogieman

I listen to Roy, and what you said isn’t true.

Roy teaches the direct opposite of what you said: in fact he teaches that we are all in the thralls of sin, and we all need Jesus to save us. He says he, himself, was saved from sin by Jesus...he uses Jesus’ name explicitly. He has talked many times of the redemptive salvation of Jesus’ sacrifice.

The area in which I strongly disagree with Roy is Roy says Jesus is not God. I believe Jesus is God, the Son, creator of the universe, who existed before the universe, as the Bible preaches, “Before Moses was, I Am.”

Roy doesn’t believe that. Roy says Jesus was born sinless, because He was born to Mary with God as His father, and because He was crucified when He had no sin, He gives salvation to the human race, but Roy says Jesus wasn’t divine, wasn’t God. I strongly disagree with that belief.

Roy’s meditation does enable people to “snap out” of their swirling emotions and thoughts, and let their power over us fade.

I’ve sometimes wondered if Roy is a gnostic, the kind that Paul talked about. He seems to say that it’s not good to experience emotions, which I disagree with, and says that as we become closer to God that people and emotions and feelings become more and more distant, like we’re watching a movie on TV, from a distance, not really connected with any of it....I don’t agree with that.

I think one naturally has emotions and feelings, the important thing is to not let them control you.

Ed


13 posted on 04/10/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed
Yes, there is a natural and higher type of emoting when we are connected to God...I agree and I know Roy says that too.
There are however, too many parts of the bible and commonsense that tells us that Jesus was divine yes, but obviously not God. He even said he did not his own will, but the will of the Father. Well, God has no father.
14 posted on 04/10/2012 11:21:47 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Sir_Ed

The Doctrine of the Trinity is not accepted by many. Prior to the Council of Nicea (325 AD). It was not the accepted doctrine of the Church. There was a raging controversy between those who believed he is the Son of God, and those who believed He was God. Even afterwards there were Church Councils that disagreed with the Nicean Creed.

John 1:1 is the verse most often pointed to as supporting Jesus is God, but not all translations support that view. See the New English Translation.

You may strongly disagree that Jesus is the son of God, but a lot of us Christians strongly disagree with you.

Its really something that God has to reveal to you. And I hope He opens your eyes to the Trinity Heresy.

There are many references to him being the Son of God. After Paul’s Conversion, he preached that Jesus is the Son of God (not God). See the Book of Acts for details.

The Devil himself tempted Jesus to be God (to be #1) by offering him earthly riches, and Jesus did not fall. How on earth can you tempt God to be God?

Furthermore, the Thief on the Cross found Salvation and DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY.

Yours in Christ


28 posted on 04/10/2012 7:24:14 PM PDT by tedw (Constitution)
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