Posted on 04/09/2012 2:31:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hell,...Maurice Strong is in China...and he was the lead UN guy on The Global Scam...helped setup the IPCC.
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James Sexton says:
“Analysts believe that the development of the solar and wind power industries will stabilize….”
Lol, it will drop to the degree the west quits subsidizing it. Let’s hear all of the lunatics now talk about how we’re losing the tech race with China. How renewable energy is the wave of the future…….
It was a phony propped up market in which enabled China to siphon $billions from the gullible lunatics advocating this massive bit of stupidity. Now that the funds are getting shut off, the industry is dying a quick death. Can we put the turtles back now? lmao!
“...helped setup the IPCC.”
That’s just to rip us off.
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Lord Timothy of Edsion says:
Gee, post a link to Wen Jiabao’s full speech why don’cha. Decoded, all it means is that China will result construction on the four plants on which world was suspended following Fukushima.
As for the phrase “China to drop solar energy” … neither this phrase, nor any phrase like it, appears anywhere in Wen Jiabao’s speech.
Engineering-minded and economics-minded folks who want to know what’s *REALLY* going in China—regarding green energy technologies—need to read “Why Boston Power Went to China” in the most recent issue of MIT Technology Review (a Google search will find it).
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Not sure what the post is saying....will look further.
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The key to solving the problems of imbalanced, uncoordinated, and unsustainable development is to accelerate the transformation of the pattern of economic development and carry out strategic adjustment of the economic restructure. This is both a long-term task and our most pressing task at present.
We will improve and upgrade the industrial structure. We will promote the sound development of strategic emerging industries. We will accelerate the establishment of mechanisms that promote the use of new energy sources; strengthen overall planning, auxiliary projects and policy guidance; and expand domestic demand. We will prevent blind expansion in our capacity to manufacture solar energy and wind power equipment. We will develop next-generation information technology, strengthen network infrastructure, and make substantive progress in integrating the telecommunications network, the radio and television broadcasting network, and the Internet. We will energetically develop the high-end equipment manufacturing, energy conservation, environmental protection, biopharmaceuticals, new-energy vehicles, and new materials industries. We will increase funding for technological upgrading projects, and press ahead with the transformation and upgrading of traditional industries. We will control increases in production capacity, improve existing production facilities, encourage enterprise mergers and reorganizations, and increase industrial concentration and economies of scale, with the focus on the automobile, steel, shipbuilding, and cement industries. We will implement and improve policies to promote the growth of small and micro businesses, further reduce burdens on enterprises, and promote the vibrant growth of small and micro high-tech enterprises. We will implement fiscal, taxation, and financial policies that facilitate the development of the service sector and encourage nongovernmental investment in this sector, in order to promote faster development of the sector, increase its share in the economy, and facilitate its upgrading.
We will conserve energy, reduce emissions, and protect the ecological environment. The key to conserving energy and reducing emissions is to save energy, improve energy efficiency, and reduce pollution. We will promptly formulate and promulgate a work plan for appropriately controlling total energy consumption, and move quickly to base the energy pricing system on the market. We will use economic, legal, and the necessary administrative means to conserve energy and reduce emissions in key areas such as manufacturing, transportation, construction, public institutions, and people's homes, and in 1,000 key energy-intensive enterprises; and close down more outdated production facilities. We will tighten supervision of energy use, develop smart power grids and ensure the proper distribution of energy supplies, and implement effective administrative practices such as efficient electricity generation and distribution, energy performance contracting, and government procurement of energy-efficient goods and services. We will optimize the energy structure, promote clean and efficient use of traditional energy, safely and effectively develop nuclear power, actively develop hydroelectric power, tackle key problems more quickly in the exploration and development of shale gas, and increase the share of new energy and renewable energy in total energy consumption. We will step up the construction of energy transportation routes. We will thoroughly implement the basic state policy of conserving resources and protecting the environment. We will carry out certification of energy-efficient products and oversight and inspection of energy efficiency labeling; encourage economical use of energy, water, land, and materials as well as comprehensive use of resources; and vigorously develop a circular economy. We will strengthen environmental protection; strive to solve major environmental problems that directly affect people's lives, such as heavy metals, drinking water sources, air, soil, and marine pollution; reduce pollution from non-point agricultural sources; and put hazardous chemicals under strict oversight and supervision. We will start monitoring fine particulate matter (PM2.5) in the Beijing-Tianjin-Hebei region, the Yangtze River delta, the Pearl River delta and other key areas as well as in municipalities directly under the central government and provincial capital cities, and extend the practice to all cities at and above the prefectural level by 2015. We will improve the ecology, establish a sound system of compensation for ecological damage, strengthen ecological protection and restoration, and consolidate achievements in protecting virgin forests, turning vulnerable farmland into forests and grasslands, and stopping grazing to let grasslands recover. We will strengthen grassland ecological conservation; vigorously carry out afforestation; make progress in dealing with desertification and stony deserts and in improving terraced farmland; and strictly protect river sources, wetlands, lakes, and other priority functional ecological zones. We will strengthen capacity building to adapt to climate change, and especially to respond to extreme climate events, and improve our ability to prevent and mitigate natural disasters. We will uphold the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities and the principle of fairness, and play a constructive role in promoting international talks on climate change. We will show the world with our actions that China will never seek economic growth at the expense of its ecological environment and public health. We are definitely capable of taking a path of civilized development which ensures that production increases, people's living standards rise, and we live in a good ecological environment.
You've got it Ernest. The Chinese announced their goal of one hundred twenty five new nuclear plants five years ago - and they are on track with three new plants already on line.
As the world's largest manufacturing country they will manufacture to order. It may be that the diminishing value of the world's currencies is not in their interest?
China's leaders know that China must manufacture efficiently to grow, and to avoid the social unrest which would result from high unemployment. America's leaders want the unrest to create a crisis because that might allow them to replace what remains of free enterprise with a socialist dictatorship.
Unsubsidized solar energy is an order of magnitude (ten times) more expensive than nuclear or coal. China doesn't have the enormous legal burden that delays plant construction in the US for from ten to twenty years after the loans begin to accrue interest payments.
China also genuinely wants clean air. There are no emissions from nuclear plants, and no commercial nuclear plant has ever hurt a single citizen as a result of its radioactive characteristic. Nuclear has the safety advantage that it is so easy to detect the slightest breach of its containment. Even Chernobyl, not a commercial plant, killed more people because it was off line than died from the meltdown and fire - three direct deaths and twenty to sixty over five years from presumed increased radiation induced disease (hard to tell because Chenobyl, like our on Nevada experience, actually had a lower average incidence of leukemia than most of the Ukraine.
Our media are complicit, and almost always have been stimulating fears among those who, understandably, don't know better. Every day you can find some propaganda against nuclear. The units have no meaning to most. Just today an report on increased radioactivity in kelp was published to a naive public, implying that the "catastrophic Fukushima meltdown" was spreading death across the ocean. For those who don't know, iodine 131 has an 8 day half life. Any iodine 131 found in kelp has most likely come from hospital refuse, and poses no risk in any case. But it serves the purpose. The Fukushima reactor hurt no one, except by being off line, like every other commercial nuclear disaster. China is trying to build. The progressives currently in control want to destroy free markets. Progressives are at war with capitalism. Their tactics are a refined version of ‘Helter Skelter.’ The ‘antiwar’ Marxists are still alive, and destruction is what they learned to do best during their formative years during the 70s.
Smarter than the damn communists running this country.
Thorium is the power of the future for stationary consumption.
Oil will do the rest for a long long time.
Can’t we send Lisa Jackson over there (one-way ticket) to set them straight?
Clever, those Chinese!
It's not the matter of being smarter. It's the matter of:
In essence, China's hands are not tied, they can do whatever they want, and the government is not required to do a dog and pony show just so a pollster can say how many citizens approve.
With regard to solar, China had a unique experience during "the great leap forward" - backyard furnaces. There were millions of those, all run by novices, using inferior fuel and ore. Of course they produced iron so bad in quality that even a medieval smith would throw it away.
Based on that experience, China appears to prefer large power generation facilities, where equipment can be professionally maintained. China is a large country; it would require millions - if not billions - of residential solar installations. Each such small installation would cost far more per kW than a large plant; in the end, it is not financially effective for powering the whole country. The cost of solar setups should go 10x down before it starts making any sense. But even today the labor of solar installation is about half of the cost, so even if solar panels are free it's still expensive to just install them in the right way. Besides, not every Chinese enjoys a personal home. Many live in apartments, sharing the same small roof.
The Chinese are clever fellows.
They stole the soar & wind manufacturing by undercutting US costs & prices. They didn’t care whether it really worked, or not, as the gullible West will buy Fool’s Gold every time.
Now, they will build you all the turbines you want, but they aren’t stupid enough to use them themselves.
Nuclear power is the way to go until fusion is a reality. If China installs safe, dependable nuclear power, as the West installs fantasy power systems that don’t work, China will surely be the World’s only superpower in 20-30 years, while all of the USA will look like Detroit.
smart move
Thanks Ernest.
You guys are delusional.
Japan has 54 reactors, all but one are shut down due to the Fukushima disaster because man has no answer and no solution for what is happening there, which is, (3) reactor meltdowns with no containment.
Thorium reactors don’t exist except in experimental stages. That experiment has been going on for 50 years without a functional commercial reactor. Thorium reactors are not cost effective due to corrosive nature of the design.
Germany winds down their nuclear power program while China tries to emerge from the dark ages via nuclear. One of the two countries lacks knowledge and foresight.
Nuclear waste, the gift that keeps on giving, making nuclear power the most expensive way of producing electricity, monetarily and environmentally.
No. They just don't play stupid games to appease idiots. They are pretty much focused. We're not. We try to appease idiots.
Duh! What, too many of their Solyndra’s fail also?
Bingo.
Sometimes, I think you and I are the only people who are “on” to Strong and his scam.
Ah, we have a Holdren acolyte. Japan shut down their reactors for safety inspections, and intends to restart all of them after insuring their safety, with particular attention to the diesel backup generators - the source of the problems with Fukushima. Tsunamis are rare, but the Fukushami generators should not have been below sea level. Japan will shortly be completely bankrupt if they need to buy natural gas and oil to keep their plants operating. They have no alternative source, and there is no more desirable source for the electric energy essential to Japan's survival as a manufacturing nation. Japan is already in discussions to add new nuclear plants. The fact is that no one at the Fukushima plant was injured. Twenty thousand died from the tidal wave. Some number of Japanese have committed suicide - forty is the estimate I've read - related to the loss of their homes, their jobs, their ability to support their families.
Suggesting that the reactors at Fukushima didn't have containment is complete nonsense. Their containment is why no one was injured. The hydrogen explosions were the result of the failure of pumps keeping the spent fuel from heating up. Again, no one was hurt by radiation. There may have been a few minor burns.
No one claims safety can't be improved. Fukushima is a forty year old design. The Chinese are modifying a modern Westinghouse design, which will be even safer than no injuries. A new design should protect emergency pumps. Had the diesel generators not failed Fukushima could have been back on line in hours to provide power for pumps, cleanup, and manufacturing. Today Japan is paying the current price for oil, a price which may only increase.
Germany can buy nuclear electric fuel from France for a while, but will build new nuclear plants when the damage to the world's economy caused by the left has been repaired and their propagandists return to the infamy of the fringe where they have lived for forty years. For the moment, there is no realistic alternative to nuclear electric, nothing safer, nothing cleaner, and no technology less expensive when legal/political costs are deducted.
"Nuclear waste, the gift that keeps on giving, making nuclear power the most expensive way of producing electricity, monetarily and environmentally."
The old nuclear waste shibboleth keeps on giving. Nuclear waste is not waste; it is a partially used source of extremely valuable energy. There are relatively so few used fuel rods, and uranium is so plentiful, and politicians so perfidious, that there is no will to reprocess fuel at the moment, at least in the US. As the world becomes more and more nuclear electric that partially used fuel (only about ten percent of the available fission energy is used in a typical fuel cycle) may still be commercially viable. Remember, a typical 1000 megawatt coal plant burns about 100 carloads of coal each day of operation, and produces almost as much ash and slag which must be disposed of. The fuel pools of a typical nuclear reactor fill about a basketball court's size of pools for spent rods, which will cool for a few years before being removed to long term storage or reprocessing, and could always have been put back into the ground from which the uranium came.
Free speech is a double edged sword. In China, where most senior party executives have degrees in science and engineering, propagandists don't flourish. In the US, our colleges are benefiting from the high standards set by Asian students, who typically enter graduate schools here, having done undergraduate work in China, two years ahead of our domestically educated students. In California we pay political activists to monitor the environment, agents for the California EPA, about $150,000/year to obstruct development. Tem years ago there were about twenty thousand of them, and are probably more today. Few of them have degrees in science.
We pay lawyers, through our government, to obstruct low cost energy, preferring to support scientifically impossible schemes such as the recently bankrupt solar thermal electric plant near Barstow (a claimed 1000 MW plant, though Barstow may be another plant - this writer studied that design thirty years ago), or the bird whackers at AltaMont pass, which only get active when the tax rebates make them interesting to the wealthy. They don't say a word about the 60 or so giant condors and bald eagles mashed, and about 40,000 other birds killed by the wind turbines, but make a big fuss about a snail darter becuase there was a politial objective - asserting control over the farming interests to extract payola.
I suppose the huge body of information on Thorium reactors is all bunk as is the reactor that ran at Oak Ridge for years before it was shut down since it does not produce enough waste material to make weapons.
Thank you for your parochial views.
Notwhistanding that WE’RE DOOMED!!!!! Ahhhhhhh!
It bears notice what you said about the senior party officials in China - that they tend to have a much higher representation of technical people in their ranks.
Here in the US, I think we have only about 1% of the Congress being composed of engineers and/or people from hard sciences.
The vast bulk of Congress is filled with idiot lawyers, who think they can legislate against the laws of thermodynamics.
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