Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..
Any theory which requires Ann to travel alone to Kenya is a non starter in my opinion. If Barack Sr didn't, go Ann certainly didn't go. It would take very good evidence to the contrary to persuade me otherwise.
Anns family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the fathers Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.
I find no part of this suggestion reasonable from my perspective. What kind of mother would pay for her daughter's trip to an African nation where civil and racial unrest is prevalent? This notion strikes me as far fetched.
Any theory which requires Ann to travel alone to Kenya is a non starter in my opinion. If Barack Sr didn't, go Ann certainly didn't go. It would take very good evidence to the contrary to persuade me otherwise.
Anns family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the fathers Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.
I find no part of this suggestion reasonable from my perspective. What kind of mother would pay for her daughter's trip to an African nation where civil and racial unrest is prevalent? This notion strikes me as far fetched.
His arguments make sense. Arguments to the contrary do not. He basis his arguments on the available evidence, while arguments to the contrary are based on (sometimes far fetched) speculation.
If you take issue with his article, argue against the points he has presented, don't attack him and his motives.
With just a minimum of research, anyone can find out that he's only wrote two articles in the "American Thinker", both of them heavily defending the Kenyan Turd.
I don't have any familiarity with his other article, (I will go check it out.) but I don't regard his argument that the available facts don't support a Kenyan birth as "defending the Kenyan Turd."
His theories have less proof, than I do. No, he's not credible. I respect the American Thinker, but Don Wilkie only has two articles there.
What does THAT prove? William Lolli has only ONE article there, and it is a D@MN good one!
I have looked at the other article; "The Case Against Barack Obama, Sr." How do you get this as being a DEFENSE of Obama? If anything, he's pointing out that everything we've been told about Barack Obama Sr being the daddy is a LIE!
Attacking the Author of articles you don't like won't disprove his points. You need to attack his points directly.
I suspect Mr. Don Wilkie is noting but an Obama enabler, apologist, and his political operative. The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES. And Don Wilkie wants to cite those FORGERIES for proof?
You are unfamiliar with my writing. I believe that long form birth certificate which Obama has released WAS CREATED by the state of Hawaii, and as such it represents what has been put INTO Obama's legal record. Yes, it's a forgery, but it is a LEGAL FORGERY created by the State of Hawaii under the order of a Judge. It is (I believe) a replacement birth certificate which was created for an adopted child. ( or otherwise a nullification of a previous adoption.)
If this theory is correct, then that document represents what the State of Hawaii regards as the legal truth, though it may not be the "actual truth."
DiogenesLamp, you're destroying your own credibility, constantly promoting the Democrat hack, Don Wilkie, and exposing yourself as one who can't be trusted.
You are not going to brow beat me into accepting the Kenyan birth theory by threatening not to "trust" me. You don't have to trust me. You can think whatever you want about me.
If you want me to accept the Kenyan birth theory, show me why this theory is correct, and other theories are wrong. At this point, all I see in support of the Kenyan birth theory is speculation, nothing tangible. Indeed, the tangible evidence makes the Kenyan birth theory look very unlikely in my opinion.
I am not closing the door on it, just saying it needs evidentiary support before it can be taken seriously.
Ann and her parents were committed members of the Communist Party USA, and she was living out her ideas of what it meant to be a good Communist. The idea that she would only travel to Kenya with a chaperon is exactly contrary to the spirit and life she was dedicated to follow. Telling her she could not and would not do so would have been tantamount to a dare she could not ignore. In later years, she lived in places such as Indonesia without a husband or other chaperons to accompany her on her travels. So, there is no evidence to indicate she did not and could not have done so as a rebellious 19 year old ideologue.
There was much confusion surrounding her answer, but it's clear that if BO was born in the village he wasn't born in Mombasa and vice versa. McRae used slight of hand to make contradictory non-evidence look like two pieces of corroborated evidence to those who wanted to believe.
Travel to Africa was harder and rarer in those days. And if you were BHO, Sr. would you really want to take your White wife to meet your other (African) wife and your angry father who probably didn't much care for Whites, as he didn't seem to like anybody very much?
The natural born citizen thing has to do with interpretations more than anything else. It's by no means certain that the founders intended their words to be understood as the theorists claim, and it's unlikely that the courts would support their interpretation today.
Your point #4 is false. Americans can and did travel to Pakistan. This is a myth that somehow keeps going.
I’m very sorry that you have no principles. There are many of us, myself included, for whom voting is serious business.
Count me amongst those whom will not vote for a RINO.
Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada. She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.
The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable. BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!
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Do that.
Friend, you've mislabeled that thing you claim to have and that I lack.
It's proper name is vanity.
You refuse to lift a finger while the entire country goes down-- because it affronts your principles? Those are some principles I can do without.
Yep, it really is vanity in your case.
Thank you, my problem was that I don’t tolerate anyone accusing me of being a “troll,” which to me is calling me a leftist troublemaker. I would describe myself as very conservative with some libertarian leanings. My problem with Romney is a very liberal track record on issues like abortion, the radical homosexual issue, global warming, judicial nominees, Romneycare, etc. Believe me, Obamunism is ushering in a socialism on a scale like FDR or LBJ, so I understand the importance of defeating Obama. My point is that we should not become so desperate as to take a liberal republican who, in my opinion, is ideologically on par with Bill Clinton. If Romney had a genuine conversion I might bite, but I fear the worst. Anyhow, I really overlooked the importance of Obama’s eligibility and this looks like a solid case.
The Democrats-Progressives-socialists-communists-whateverits have a political tactic in the elections in addition to their typical vote frauds. What they do is have a Democrat pretend to run for election as a Republican in the general primary election against a genuine Republican challenger who threatens to unseat an incumbent Democrat. In the general primary election they then instruct nearly all of the Democrat voters, their zombie voters in the graveyards, their captive nursing home voters, and voters in the prisons to vote as Republicans for the Democrat running as a Republican in the general primary election. Then the fake Republican candidate puts up a token campaign which loses to allow the Democrat incumbent to win the General Election in November. In this way the Democrats get to run only Democrats in the General Election, leaving no genuine Republicans for Conservatives to vote for in that election. Romney is represented as a former independent voter turned Republican, but he serves the same purpose as the typical Trojan Horse Democrat running for election as a Republican.
Thank you, thank you! This along the lines of how I feel because the republican establishment accepts the common criticism from the left that conservatives aren’t “electable.” It is totally the opposite. Take McCain’s 08 run, he refused to raise Obama’s ties to Ayerd or other radicals, he refused to tackle Obama’s black liberation theology, and McCain never had any fundamental policy differences..there’s no obvious distinction. Basically you had the most radical left wing senator running on his race versus a liberal republican with a lackluster campaign. Why do republicans have the burden of running “moderates” while Democrats can run hardcore leftists?
Mitt. Its time you quit!
Your credibility isnt worth spit.
RINOs, the Establishment, and Democrats all agree,
But in the General Election, to Obama theyll flee.
Against Obama, liberals and moderates know youll lose.
But conservatives, Romney theyll never choose.
Mitt, our loyalty you cant buy.
Back to Massachusetts, youd better fly.
Just like Gerald Ford, Bob Dole, and John McCain,
Nominee Willard Mitt Romney will result in the same.
As a Governor, your record isnt that great.
Out of 50 states, your popularity was number 48.
Your experience, the Establishment types tout.
Defending federal bailouts and FDIC loan forgiveness will find you out.
Democrats and RINOs cower from their liberal wives,
Supporting Romney with nothing but lies.
In 1994 Ted Kennedy showed Willard to be a great bane,
With Mitts Bain, and Bain Capital, Obama will do the same.
Damon Corp, with Romney paid $119 million in a fine.
Yet Willard says, for his leadership, its time.
He claims jobs he can create and taxes he can lower,
47th out of 50 in growth he rates. Can it get any slower?
$740.5 million dollars a year, fees and taxes under Mitt increased.
Will the half-truths and lies from Romney ever cease?
For Liberty and Freedom, we dont need Flakes,
But Romney says Healthcare responsibilities belong to the States.
Conservatives stand for Self-responsibility, Self-accountability, and Self-reliance.
But against these things, Willards actions scream in defiance.
Establishment Republicans thinks Romney can help take back the Senate,
But they know that for President, Mitt can NOT win it.
Like everything the Establishment Republicans try to do,
It leads to failure, and we get the bill, as well as the screw.
In their corruption, little change do they seek,
They dont want our Freedom to peak.
Their craving for power has pushed their bravery,
To ignore our Constitution, and sell us into economical slavery.
So Willard, dont lecture us on the need for patience and compromise.
Romney, be selfless. Conservatism is on the rise.
Choosing the lesser of two evils, isnt what we desire.
You let them rewrite the language. Wheres your fire?
Romney, they accuse us falsely, and you do little.
Wheres your response, or can you only twiddle?
Mitt, you dont have what it takes to lead.
So with you I plead.
Do you really want to go from Obama-care to Romney-care?
With you, this nation will pull out its hair!
Go somewhere and quietly think
and sit.
Know your own limitations! Mitt. Its time you quit!
“Maybe it’s time we got some DINOs to copy this evil plan against Democrats. But who would soil their name and credibility, to do such an evil thing against the real evildoers? “
According to Romney, he voted for a Democrat to carry out the same tactic against the Democrats. Does that make Romney a smart Conservative, or something a genuine Conservative will not do because of ethical issues?
It makes Romney someone we CANNOT trust!
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