Posted on 03/10/2012 7:09:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
I am definitely not a Global Warming believer. However, I need help understanding why the Second Law of Thermodynamics is “proof” that this scam is a scam.
But, Romney said the Earth is “getting warmer”. That’s all we need to know.....
Thanks for the post. He is 100% correct.
To the climate “scientists”: “It is the Sun stupid!”
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Agreed. But I did not need to know about Romney’s statements on AGW to figure out he is a dud and a fraud. His actions did that.
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IIRC, the 2nd law involves the conservation of energy.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. All the energy we have comes from the Sun. CO2 can't 'create' heat, and can't be to blame for increased or decreased energy from the Sun.
Or I could be completely wrong.
Don’t have an answer....might be one in the comments.
But if the Sun burns fuel and produces heat, and then radiates that heat to Earth, then the Earth's temperature is not quite a closed system. Certainly it could be a system in equilibrium if the heat added to Earth by the Sun equals the heat lost to radiation into space. But that's the issue, isn't it?
If man does something to increase our heat retention, then the constant addition of solar radiation might cause global temperatures to rise. I do not see how the Second Law of Thermodynamics would make such a possibility impossible.
Now, let me be clear: I do not believe that mankind is capable of increasing the heat retention of the world. I think we are in equilibrium and that we will stay in equilibrium. That's my opinion.
I don't see why the Second Law is relevant at all -- but perhaps I'm missing something.
Good question. The sun could increase or decrease its output, and the earth could retain more or less of that output, without the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics having anything to do with it.
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Maurice Darth Strong is one of the people behind this push of “man-caused” C02 Climate Doomsday, he even says so himself in the video interviews of him: http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/12/18/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-only-one-earth-under-the-new-world-order-based-upon-false-science-brought-to-you-by-maurice-darth-strong.
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pwl says:
“I’m convinced that prophets of Doom have got to be taken seriously. In other words doomsday is a possibility.” – Darth Maurice Strong, BBC Interview, 1972.
“I found that people were turned on that our Earth was in danger, and that our own life depends on the Earth and having a hospitable environment, and so how to translate that into a political kind of energy that would move the governments to do the right things in Stockholm [and by extension Copenhagen], to take the right decisions.” – Darth Maurice Strong.
Almost sounds like an organized effort at using the Global Warming Scam to implement a Macro form of Communism at the Global level.
and the earth could retain more or less of that output,
And what causes the Earth to 'retain' heat or 'lose' it?
I remember when the “hole in the ozone layer” was a big thing. I had a young friend whom I had sailed against in Maine for many years who was a physicist, and ended up going down to Antartica every year to study that ozone hole.
One summer, at an annual beach barbecue, he told me, “You won’t hear this in the news, but that hole in the ozone layer has started to shrink.”
Sure enough, the media scarcely mentioned that embarrassing development, and the hole in the ozone layer was soon abandoned, for greener pastures—i.e., government funding.
Understand this, and the rest is just fluff.
Plug in an electric blanket. That's the sun. It radiates heat.
Now, lie on top of the electric blanket. You are the Earth. By lying in close proximity to the heat source, you become comfortable. You like your temperature.
Now, put a big down comforter on top of your body. This (the Left would say) represents Greenhouse gases. Suddenly, your temperature is increasing as more heat is retained. If you were comfortable 5 minutes ago, now you are uncomfortably warm.
The whole question is: Can humans put a blanket on the Earth? Do we produce CO2 is sufficient quantities so as to significantly cause the planet to retain heat better and therefore raise our base temperature a few degrees?
That's the whole question of AGW. And I still don't see where the Second Law of Thermodynamics fits in.
“And what causes the Earth to ‘retain’ heat or ‘lose’ it? “
Beats me. But is there a theoretical reason why NOTHING could cause the earth to retain more heat? And if there is, what does that have to do with the Second Law of Thermodynamics?
I am not a believer in global warming. I think the idea that we knew what the average earth temperature was in 1867 to within a couple of degrees is ridiculous. The idea that we know the average temperature of the earth with precision in 29,846 BC is even more ludicrous. But I do not see how the laws of thermodynamics affect the situation...
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