Very interesting. I was unaware of any place where K-types would simply crush r-types using force of government. I just assumed K-types want freedom to establish honest measures of relative fitness, absent any outside meddling in outcomes. I assumed that their desires for that would always be their undoing. I probably should have assumed that somewhere K-types would adapt to use government to eradicate the left. Maybe that adaptation to the newer stress of government will be the evolutionary future of the K-type psychology. Talk about Greenbeard.
I am not sure how good that is practically, though, or how it would work here today. My general perception (not really backed up by anything more than a knowledge of how things work in nature and cursory examinations of contemporary American politics) is that K-types tend to want free competitions, absent any interference by outside parties such as governments. As a result, true K-types tend to just want to go about their lives, striving personally, and letting the results stand alongside those of their peers, absent government meddling. r-types tend towards the manipulation of others to avoid such free competition, by their nature. So they seek to gain control of others through exploitation of circumstances and rule violations. This may be through fomenting an r-type revolution to give government the power to crush K-types, or it might just be through rule breaking such as posing as a K-type themselves, and seeking political power through deception.
As a result, I had assumed in America, that it would be inevitable for any long-lasting K-type movement to eventually become infiltrated by phoney r-types posing as K-types. These r-types would seek out political power through deception for personal gain, and then on attaining it, be inherently more open to r-type policies. I believe this is what you see in the Republican party today.
How many grassroots ideological Conservatives want to be responsible for making decisions which cause government to affect other people’s lives? That’s an outgrowth of our desire to engage in free competition as a means of honestly assessing each other’s relative fitness and apportioning reproductive ability accordingly – regardless of whether it benefits us or not. Hell, if I saw a hundred pot plants in my neighbor’s yard, I’m probably not calling the cops, and I’m not exactly pro-drug. But if he’s not bothering anyone....
If given the choice, I’m betting most K-types would turn such powers over government down, even if the campaigning and electoral processes weren’t such a pain in the ass. We’d all just rather live our lives.
Of course, every r-type today will kill to be able to tell everyone else how it is going to be, and how they are going to live. Eat this and not that, buy this eco-friendly thing, and not that, give government this much to spend on this initiative. Even our showerheads and toilets suck today because some Liberal nitwit decided everyone, everywhere, always needed to conserve *water.*
So I kind of wonder if in fifty years that K-type Singapore movement won’t be run by moderate but controlling r-types who gradually begin to favor larger government, compassionate redistribution of wealth, and the whole “for the good of the hive” concept. The slide would continue freely from there, if it happened, until a collaspe.
My own view, from a more scientific perspective is we are a work in progress, so I find this interesting as it may be a new urge which will someday enter the K-type population on a broader scale. Or it may just be lucky circumstances putting a few good leaders together at the right time to protect freedom, and keep Liberalism at bay.
Sometimes I try to picture where a super highly advanced civilization elsewhere in the universe, millions of years ahead of us, would be evolutionarily. Clearly they’d be K-type, as that is the only path which produces evolutionary advancement and can avoid devolution and the Idiocracy effect. Would their K-types have adapted additional urges to only perpetuate K-type psychologies? Would they have evolved the coldness to let the child of an r-type starve to death rather than feed it, so as to prevent that child from having ten more, and collapsing their society? Have they evolved to be they Eugenical? Are they so blindly loyal to in-group that any one would be like a Medal of Honor Winner here? Or have their K-types just evolved such an innate animus for r-types that they seize control of governments, and lock up all the Liberals? That would have a huge effect on the propagation of Liberalism itself.
Thanks for the info on Singapore, I was totally unaware of that. Maybe the K-types will eventually evolve to be more tolerant of controlling others who threaten freedom, and begin to use government in their battle with the r-types. Not sure how I feel about it, or whether it is good, but it is a possible path that could yield competitive advantage to those who follow it.
The only way for K-types to hold their position other then failure of their objective would be to trick nature.
As you pointed out one could actually starve people which isn't a trick at all it is a failure of the K-types objective.
A more logical way to do it would be the fear of starvation in a time of abundance or change genetics which I am uncomfortable with.
For thousands of years one of governments primary jobs was to keep an extra stock of food for a time of crises. Up until about 20 or 30 years ago every country of the world kept extra stocks of food by keeping their silo's full or nearly full. Today our governments have no incentives for the farmers to keep extra stocks of food for a time of crises. As a result there is very little food stocks for an emergency.
The reason for this seems very simple too me there is no fear of the loss of abundance. K-types that know about this issue thinks of this in a K-type manner and believe governments want people to die. r-types whom are in control see it as there isn't anything to worry.
In other words the r-types have no real fear of the K-types return because abundance is an absolute. They resent us but do not fear us. When they actually feared us they killed us as what they did in the last century.
It is very likely sometime in our life time we will have a small world drought or some other natural or man made disaster and without our food stocks it will kill millions and reset the fear of starvation and the return of the K-types for a time.
To maintain the fear for a long period of time I can not see how that can be done without genetic changes.