Posted on 03/03/2012 5:03:26 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
By the time the "BountyGate" scandal investigation is over, the only thing former New Orleans Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams might not have been blamed for is whatever gas prices happen to be at that time. And now that the bounty system he participated in while with the Saints can be traced back to his time as the Washington Redskins' defensive coordinator, facts that previously came to light are now going under the magnifying glass with a much harsher light cast on them.
Last September, Cindy Boren of the Washington Post wrote an article in which ex-Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy put the start of Peyton Manning's longstanding neck injuries and surgeries at a game between the Colts and the Redskins on October 22, 2006. On one play, Manning was given a "high-low" hit by defensive linemen Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels. Those types of hits, in which two defensive players aim for different halves of an offensive player's body, are among the most dangerous in football.
The guy wouldn't let go of my head," Manning said after the game of Daniels, who was fined $5,000 by the NFL for the hit. "I looked at my helmet to see if my head was in it."
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In the immortal words of Jack Lambert. “Let,s put dresses on all of them”. Football is a contact sport. PERIOD!
Williams was paying players bonuses if they took the opposing star player out of the game. There’s a difference.
Yea, it’s a contact sport, but it’s not the hunger games. What Gregg did is despicable. I already know too many old football players who take 4 hours to get out of bed every morning. Over the last several years I’ve become more and more of an uneasy fan as I see the long term damage that it’s causing. I hope the people involved in this betting scandal all get lifetime bans from the NFL.
Yea, it’s a contact sport, but it’s not the hunger games. What Gregg did is despicable. I already know too many old football players who take 4 hours to get out of bed every morning. Over the last several years I’ve become more and more of an uneasy fan as I see the long term damage that it’s causing. I hope the people involved in this betting scandal all get lifetime bans from the NFL.
I personally find this to be despicable.The Saints should
sit out the next 5 seasons.What thugs.
I remember the game Dungy spoke of. Don’t know why I remember it, but I do, and yes, Peyton was hit savagely in that game. If the charges against Williams are true, then he and the players who participated should be permanently banned from the game. There is a difference between playing the game and looking to intentionally cause another player physical harm.
I agree. Williams should be banned from the game, and the Saints and Redskins deserve major penalties. Players proven to have participated in injury bounties should be suspended for a year or banner permanently if warranted. I have no ill will towards the Saints...in fact I like Brees and Coach Payton a lot...they are among my favorites in the league.
I was a fan of the Detroit Pistons during the Bad Boy era. Did they have some dirty players, like Mahorn and Laimbeer and Rodman? Yup. But they couldn't get away with anything that the refs didn't let them get away with.
I remember when Robert Parrish slapped Bill Laimbeer to the floor in front of God and everybody, and the refs didn't call a foul. Things even out.
I think that was the golden era of the NBA. There was no shaking hands and kissy-face after the game. Those teams hated each other, which made for a lot more drama.
Last year, Justin Upton of the AZ Diamondbacks led the league in Hit By Pitch. They weren't just nicking him, they were hitting him in the spine, in the head, in the kidneys. Brutal. Because he was the best hitter on the team, and they were testing him. Umps should have thrown some of those pitchers out. But they didn't. He was being tested.
“I was a fan of the Detroit Pistons during the Bad Boy era. Did they have some dirty players, like Mahorn and Laimbeer and Rodman?”
Me too. I was a fan of the previous NBA non-written rule of “no harm, no foul” when Laimbeer and Mahorn were the poster boys of physical play. Then Pat Riley transferred that to his “in your face defense” approach of the 90’s Knicks. Loved it.
Now you look at the refs wrong, they give you a level 2 technical foul. This is like watching today’s WWE versus the “Attitude” era of Stone Cold and DX. No contest.
I grew up in the same city where they make "Friday Night Lights". When I graduated from high school I was a 9 year veteran. I remember one game for the district championship where our middle linebacker literally tried to take the quarterbacks head off. (The snaps on the helmet came loose and the helmet went about 20 yards down the field.)
Pro football is gaining fast on the NBA in suckability.
Believe it or not,after seeing about 50 li'l meskin kids fighting over a soccer ball I could become a fan. It was really cool!
Huge difference... Williams should get a year off.
Players like Mahorn, Laimbeer, and Rodman were so good at getting into the opposing players' heads. Laimbeer got Larry Bird to go ballistic and get thrown out of a game once. Rodman made these gay-looking "I want you" eyes at an opposing player, and got him to react, got him thrown out of the game. They were nuts.
Laimbeer was a nice guy off the court, heavily involved in charities. But he was such a pr*ck on the court.
I remember once he said, "If you want to see a great player, look at Isaiah. If you want comic relief, look at me."
and amusement. (Yeah that's you.)
Believe it or not, he grew up here in L.A., white dude neighborhood of Pacific Palisades. Grew up to hate the Lakers as I watched a KTLA intermission one night years ago and they were interviewing him and Cooper from the 80’s Showtime Lakers.
The late, great coach Chuck Daly once said “Laimbeer never started a fight by physically hitting you. He just says something in the other guy’s ear and they are the ones who go nuts.” But I do miss those Rodman vs Pippen highlights.
But he learned. The next time, first tipoff of the game, Pippen elbowed one of the Pistons in the ribs, knocked the wind out of him. The refs said nothing. Message sent. I think the Bulls went on to win that one. The refs remember, too.
I agree. Lifetime bans for the DC, the HC, and the GM. Football is a contact sport; it is not trophy hunting. If I were Peyton and my neck injury could be attributed to this program, I’d be talking to lawyers and would end up owning the Redskins.
Laimbeer was a dirty player. He deliberately would try to hurt guys. When someone would go up for a jump shot, he would stick his foot under the player so they would land awkwardly on his foot.
Laimbeer was a dirty player. He deliberately would try to hurt guys. When someone would go up for a jump shot, he would stick his foot under the player so they would land awkwardly on his foot.
I agree. He was dirty. But, he couldn’t get away with that, unless the refs let him. That was brutal era in the NBA. And Laimbeer took more than his share of beatings. He retired early, due to a bad back. He took plenty of his own hits. Countless times, I saw him draw offensive fouls, as in knees to the face, knocked flat on his back. He wasn’t a wimp.
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