I HATED their marketing program....but STILL love the products....
I have 4 gallons of their LOC and love it.
Yeah, who the hell knows when I will get trough 4 gallons but my intent is to have 10 maybe 20 gallons as part of my SHTF strategy.
I have another 3 gallons of generic soap but intend to use them as last resort.(they suds up too much and I don’t care for the phosphates).
I also have 4 boxes of their steel wool and love em as they don’t leave little slivers embedded in my hand.