[Old Teufel Hunden]

"So, he lost a couple of planes."

I looked it up. He flew 58 combat missions, won a distinguished flying cross and three air medals. Not something to pooh, pooh. Was it worthy of having an aircraft carrier named after him? Maybe not, but a helluva lot more worthy than having Gabby Giffords have a boat named after her. And so they should not be in the same sentence together. Which was my point to you in the first place.

[muawiyah]

I used pappy Bush as an example of an unpopular politician WHO IS STILL ALIVE.

He wasn't as heroic as my uncle in WWII ~ who was a Ranger, on the ground ~ at Oran, at Anzio, at various other places.

So much for Bush.