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To: ransomnote
You're the one wasting time. All I asked you for was simple proof of your fear-mongering assertions, something as simple as one lousy, single name of someone who has been harmed, either acute or delayed effects, from a radiation accident from the use of LWR-based nuclear energy, in this or any other country. You failed. When I said fine, you say there are widespread, long-term delayed effects, I pointed out that we have been using LWR technology for over two generations in this country alone, more than enough time for latent effects to be expressed, show me a group of people (no individual names, just a group) that has successfully proved harm from latent effects of radiation from an LWR facility. You failed in even that.

You went off on the plutonium trail using an anecdotal story of a person whose recent work has been thoroughly discredited. Just an anecdote, no chance for peer review, no independent verification of his purported "calculations", just a fear-driven agenda (i.e., "horror"). I countered with a scientific study of actual plutonium ingestion in humans, conducted by reputable scientists at a national laboratory (not back-of-the-envelope calculations on a plane flight), published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (Health Physics). I'll leave it to the more reasonable readers of the thread to decide which argument is more credible. The fact remains that to this day not a single human fatality has been demonstrably linked to plutonium ingestion. Yet you and your "Dr. Gofman" keep bringing up that boogieman to scare us.

Sorry, leave the scare stories to the kiddies. I got over those a long time ago in my 60+ years on this Earth. Until you can do better than scare mongering, I'm not going to bother.

35 posted on 02/11/2012 6:12:49 PM PST by chimera
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To: chimera

Your response is a mess so I’ll try to pick through the swamp for a moment....

I’ve already pointed out that you deny the basis of scientific research and then declare yourself the winner - wasting my time again.

You are trying to conflate John Gofman with a study on Plutonium ingestion? Well I guess you had to try something because he proved that LOW LEVEL exposure to ionizing radiation causes cancer; there is no safe threshold below which exposure is safe. The National Academy of Sciences latest, state of the art research specifically states in it’s report that despite what the nuclear industry wants to believe ‘there is no safe threshold’ for exposure to ionizing radiation.
You consider Dr. Gofman a boogieman, the nuke industry does, because he had credentials, access, credibility and integrity and it scared them and scarred them and they still haven’t stopped attacking him. Yes - I think it is excellent that we just leave the credibility decision to those reading our posts.
Oh Chimera - scientists and medical people already know that radiation causes cancer and damages cells - that’s why they limit x-rays to necessity etc.


36 posted on 02/11/2012 6:25:22 PM PST by ransomnote
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