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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
So yes, since Marco Rubio was born as an American citizen, he is eligible to be President and therefore eligible to be Vice-President.

So why was I always told as a kid that you had to be born in the US to be president?

If 'natural born Citizen' is synonomous with 'citizen at birth', why does it matter where you were born? You are a citizen the instant you are born no matter where you are born, as long as one of your parents is a US citizen.

So, with that logic, if your mother had fallen in love with Mao Zedong, you could have been born the son of Chairman Mao, in the middle of tiananmen square, and you would still be a 'natural born Citizen' of the US, and eligible to be president?

That makes sense!

I mean the reason that the whole 'natural born Citizen' clause is in the Constitution in the first place is because John Jay wrote to Washington:
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

So...even though you were born the son of Chairman Mao, and you were born and raised in communist China, that really doesn't make you, what Jay called a 'foreigner'? Does it? Just because you were born and raised by a communist dictator should not exclude someone from the right to be President of the US. Is that correct?
75 posted on 02/10/2012 2:28:01 PM PST by MMaschin
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To: MMaschin

You need to do a bit more homework, you do not understand citizenship law, at all.
Yes, if you are born in another country, Congress has changed the requirements several times, as far as the rules to obtain Citizenship at Birth.
-——Statute, by parentage

Under certain circumstances, children may acquire U.S. citizenship from their parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[5]
If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child’s birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”[6] in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States_of_America


110 posted on 02/11/2012 1:12:30 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: MMaschin
I mean the reason that the whole 'natural born Citizen' clause is in the Constitution in the first place is because John Jay wrote to Washington: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

Well, let's see. Horatio Gates, born Essex, England. Charles Lee, born Cheshire, England. Richard Montgomery, born Dublin, Ireland. There were plenty of Revolutionary War generals on our side who were born in the British Isles. Jay wanted the Commander in Chief to be American born.

Of the Americans at the time, very few were "native born citizens" in the sense the Vattelites use it, because most of their parents were born British subjects and Britain had a claim on the allegiance of both the Founders and their parents at birth.

So...even though you were born the son of Chairman Mao, and you were born and raised in communist China, that really doesn't make you, what Jay called a 'foreigner'? Does it? Just because you were born and raised by a communist dictator should not exclude someone from the right to be President of the US. Is that correct?

That's precisely why the framers wanted the President to be a citizen from birth. They didn't want a Prussian or Hessian or Hannoverian heir coming here and winning the presidency and establishing a monarchy.

But I'm not sure they'd exclude someone born in the country with one citizen and one non-citizen parent. Some things they left up to common sense. Herbert Hoover's and Woodrow Wilson's mothers never renounced their allegiance to Britain, though they were extended US citizenship when they married.

127 posted on 02/11/2012 11:45:02 AM PST by x
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