Posted on 01/25/2012 7:41:26 PM PST by Rockerwolf
Because there was a discussion that i had with someone about SOPA/PIPA and i mentioned how the bill would in effect affect sites like Youtube,google,flickr,tumblr,and such. And the person turned it around to make it into about supporting music piracy.
And the whole time the person made me want to facepalm so hard over the person supporting SOPA/PIPA. Because under SOPA/PIPA,if i did a cover of a song and uploaded it to say,Youtube or simiar i would get into trouble,but the person kept turning it around and stuff.
My usual response:
Stopping piracy is important IF the proper due process of law is followed. SOPA/PIPA bypass due process of law and give power to government bureaucrats to shutdown websites and seize domains without due process of law. We can see from copyright trolls like Righthaven (Google it) that just clicking a share button on an article or a YouTube video can get one in trouble these days. SOPA/PIPA could make criminals out of everyone on the internet and gives far to much extra-judicial power to government bureaucrats.
Could be vested interest. They may be budding film producers or musicians.
Unfortunately, many people see government as a good thing and if a government says it’s a good action, then it is.
You should be in trouble... you are stealing someone else’s work without compensation. Not that SOPA is 100% correct, but the idea that you can use another person’s copyrighted creation for free is ridiculous.
In the end, no theft will be stopped, just a change in how the internet functions with maybe 1/3 being unavailable to non techhies. With in 2 days of a sopa implementation software allowing access to the cut off parts will be available. Its just a dance of the dunces. Just like china thinking they could block connections, they did for the obedient, do you think we’ll be obedient?
IIRC, Reid said he would not let the bill come up for a vote.
http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/R000146
http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/tag/sopa/
Yeah,it was a musician. They don’t realize it will make it more difficult for unsigned artists. Yeah,it seems this congress this year has been full of stupid people.
And then vested interests with folding money wanted guns and guys that kick down doors involved.
Pretty simple.
Now, it's a federal criminal matter.
/johnny
Ah,Thank you.
I will try to learn how to do songs and create songs that i wrote.
They want you to buy movies and music...not receive it as a gift from someone else. It even goes as far as preventing you from selling old movies and music at garage sales. I’m serious.
Don’t listen to the BS about you “stealing” music and movies. The supporters of this crackdown cite the number of $500 million a year, as if everyone who downloads a song would have shelled out $16.98 for the CD on which it appears. Many artists now give away sample tracks whether via MySpace or their own sites, and sell others on iTunes and Amazon, entirely bypassing the Big 4 multinational record companies. I have downloaded or captured a number of tracks in the past year, sent some of them to friends, AND purchased the albums of those musicians, which to my surprise have no identifications of any record companies - produced entirely by the musicians themselves. When I capture tracks from, say, musicfog.com, am I stealing? The fanatics will say yes, and report me to the FBI, but the paradigm is changing, and the big record companies are on the outs. As for the movie industry, if they produced films for adults, like say The Artist, instead of mountains of juvenile trash, nobody would be “stealing” their products.
Congress left to its own devices combined with constitutionally illiterate voters lead to more laws ... Just so they look like they are doing something. There are already laws on the books to protect IP. They just are not being enforced. SOPA however takes it to the next level. The next level always leads to the loss of individual rights. Most Americans do not have a fundamental understanding of the importance of property and the role it plays in capitalism ... In fact many think pure capitalism is bad.
Taking another’s property is stealing. Taking IP is stealing. The role of the federal government is limited to saying what IP is who's property. After that is established, stealing is stealing. There are already laws on the book to deal with stealing. I believe that has been the case since the time of Moses coming off the mount with two tablets, and I'm not talking about iPads.
Our country needs ZERO new laws. It needs fewer and only those that can be enforced.
I have bought CD’s
I have some by Nightwish,Queensryche and such.
Sofa/Pipa have nothing to do with policing copyrights, etc. as there are existing laws to do it. What Sofa/Pipa do is give the government unlimited, undefined and unchecked control over the internet. Let’s say that Eric the Bigot gets the word from the Food Stamp President makes the accusation that he thinks that there might possibly be a copyright violation on FreeRepublic so within hours FreeRepublic is shut down by Eric the Bigot. No warrants, no judges involved, no evidence required, no bother, etc. The current laws are adequate but require evidence, warrants, judges, etc. which is seen as a bother to these people. Under Sofa/Pipa, the Progressives could effectively shut down all opposition within hours.
Government needs to get it’s hands off the net. Copyright should be a civil matter, not a criminal one.
Hollywood can go pound sand. They will never get another cent from me.
Stupid greedy spoiled rich(bleeps). Working class, the real America is suffering, and these left-wing spoiled rich snobs are worried about losing what is pocket change to them.
They have their guy in power, they live it up as middle class America crashes and burns. Screw them, may they GTH.
You could use the economic arguement against him.
The law of Demand and Supply. Something’s value is ultimately determined by supply and demand. The more demand for an item and the less supply available of that item there is, the more valuable it becomes. However, for that item to have demand, it must be circulating. If somebody had managed to acquire an absolute monopoly on gold and locked it all up, it’s value would decline to nothing because people would learn to do without it.
The same thing will happen to music and films and other media. Without allowing me to become aware of them and, possibly borrow them for a time, I will not be aware of them and I will not search for them. Therefore, they will lose their value to me and probably everybody else as well.
Copyrighted material is property. Copyrighted materials are created with labor and investment, just like creating a car for instance. Stealing a car is akin to stealing a book. The time and effort is not much different. (How many lost wages does it take if you take off work to write a book, and how much effort goes into writing a book?)
The theft of IP is a criminal matter. Patents are also IP. No difference there.
You may not like Hollywood ... and there I agree. But if you like capitalism, you have to respect the constitution and admit it requires the government to protect IP. We don’t need SOPA, we already have laws that take care of IP theft. It is not a civil matter.
I’ll just add that if I caught someone breaking into my home to steal my property that they would be shot dead. I feel just as strongly about IP. The only difference is that people do not have to break into your home to steal IP. BTW, I am an author of three books and they ain’t liberal.
There is copyright, and there is patent. There isn't any property involved, "intellectual property" is an invention intended to assert property rights over copyright and patent, and extend and blur the distinction. This invention is intended to enrich someone at the expense of the public, make no mistake. It also promotes loose analogies that equate copying to theft and engender the criminalization of civil law.
The Constitution authorizes Congress to promote the advancement of the arts and technology through copyright and patent, by securing for a limited time the privilege of exclusive rights to original work to artists and inventors. Go look it up. I would think that if the law prevents advancement and secures new rights for those other than the original parties, it's out of line. If Congress extends the copyright period indefinitely (75 years after the death of the author?) it's not very limited in duration.
If this goes on, it's not going to be pretty...consider rap music, for heaven's sake...
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