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Posted on 01/19/2012 4:23:21 AM PST by MBT ARJUN

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To: LastNorwegian
No. Non-muslims were being killed and driven out from the start. Non-muslim girls were being kidnapped and forcibly married since the inception of that state (and probably even longer).

The partition involved large scale massacres of Muslims by Hindus in India and of Hindus by Muslims in Pakistan. Most of the Muslims who fled to Pakistan were pretty secular. The Mohajirs (non-native Pakistani Muslims who fled from India) are known to be the least religious of Pakistan's Muslims. They fled for their lives.

As to non-Muslim girls being forcibly kidnapped and married, do you have any sources that chronicle incidents from the time of partition in 1947? Let me point out that both Muslim and non-Muslim girls are kidnapped for forced marriages, probably because polygamy creates a shortage of eligible women. I don't think it's an issue of religious discrimination so much as it is an issue of poor/powerless people of all religious denominations being picked on. Islam requires that marriages between non-believers and Muslims involve conversions to Islam. Why don't forced marriages between Muslims involve forced conversions? Because that additional step isn't necessary when both parties are Muslims.

41 posted on 01/19/2012 6:33:03 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Muslims kidnapping non-Muslim women and forcing marriage on them is a near-universal phenomenon with regard to Islam - happens among other places, in Canada, the UK and parts of Europe. You cannot tell me this practice has no religious dimension with a straight face.


42 posted on 01/19/2012 6:40:56 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
LOL, next thing you'll want would be to return the territory between and including California and Texas to the Mexicans! The Portuguese should have quit when the British left, instead of having to suffer being booted out militarily for trying to support a lost cause.

Actually, Texans and Californians defeated the Mexicans, before joining the US.

43 posted on 01/19/2012 6:41:12 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Muslims kidnapping non-Muslim women and forcing marriage on them is a near-universal phenomenon with regard to Islam - happens among other places, in Canada, the UK and parts of Europe. You cannot tell me this practice has no religious dimension with a straight face.

Outside of Muslim countries? Practically none that I've heard of. Honor killings of relatives do occur from time to time. But forced marriages between Muslim and infidel are not a problem, at least stateside. I don't think it's even a problem between Muslim and Muslim, given that we do - unlike Australia - execute people for honor killings premeditated murder.

44 posted on 01/19/2012 6:48:34 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“The United Front of Goans, led by Francis Mascarenhas drove out the Portuguese from Dadra; a small landlocked enclave bordering Nagar Haveli; on 21 July 1954. A group of volunteers of National Movement Liberation Organisation (NMLO), Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and Azad Gomantak Dal commenced an attack on the larger enclave of Nagar Haveli on 28 July 1954 and liberated it on 2 August.”

“India did not assimilate these enclaves immediately and they existed as a de-facto independent body, administered by the Varishta Panchayat of Free Dadra and Nagar Haveli.”

“The liberation of Dadra and Nagar Haveli gave the dormant Goa liberation movement an impetus. On August 15, 1954, mass Satyagrahas were launched where hundreds of people from all over India entered Goa, defying a ban by the Indian Government. The Portuguese killed many Satyagrahis and injured hundreds.”

“In 1955 the Satyagrahas continued and the Portuguese replied with brutal repression. Borders were sealed leaving people form each side stranded in the other territory. The attitude of the Indian Government towards the Goan situation was clear : that they supported the movement and intended to liberate Goa. Between 1955 and 1961 six political parties were formed to fight for freedom: Azad Gomantak Dal, the Rancour Patriota, the United Front of Goans, Goan People’s Party, Goa Liberation Army and Quit Goa Organization.”

“The Portuguese had portrayed a falsified image to the world of Goans as being entirely Luso-Indian or Portuguese. P. D. Gaitonde, after his release from prison conducted a series of lectures around the world to dispel this notion. The armed struggle in the Portuguese African colonies also served to draw international opinion in favour of India’s position.”

“In 1961 India reasserted its stand that Goa should be liberated “either with full peace or with full use of force”. In August 1961 India began military preparations. On 1 December Nehru publicly asserted that India would not remain silent regarding the Goa situation. Troops were concentrated at the important towns near Goa.”

References:

Teotonio R. de Souza, “The Church in Goa: Giving to Caesar What is Caesar’s?”

Larsen, Karin (1998). Faces of Goa. Gyan Books. ISBN ISBN 8121205840, 9788121205849.

Professor Froilano de Mello, MD (1887-1955): A short biography of his life and achievements – Goacom.com

Leitao, Lino (Friday, December 23, 2005). “Blood, nemesis and misreading quite what makes Goan society tick” by Ben Antao, review by Lino Leitao”. Retrieved 2009-05-23.

P S Lele, Dadra and Nagar Haveli: past and present, Published by Usha P. Lele, 1987.


45 posted on 01/19/2012 6:50:55 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I guess it’s not marriage, in that case, but forced sex - rape, of non-Muslims in Europe and Canada by Muslim immigrants there. Pakistanis have turned this into an artform, forcing this violence on non-Muslims, especially the Christian, Sikh and Hindu minorities there.


46 posted on 01/19/2012 6:58:21 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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“In 1961 India reasserted its stand that Goa should be liberated “either with full peace or with full use of force”. In August 1961 India began military preparations. On 1 December Nehru publicly asserted that India would not remain silent regarding the Goa situation. Troops were concentrated at the important towns near Goa.”

The way I see it, India liberated Goa the way China liberated Tibet. Naked aggression abetted by local quislings.

47 posted on 01/19/2012 7:00:07 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

What’s that country up north of India? Oh, yeah, China.


48 posted on 01/19/2012 7:06:59 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: James C. Bennett
I guess it’s not marriage, in that case, but forced sex - rape, of non-Muslims in Europe and Canada by Muslim immigrants there. Pakistanis have turned this into an artform, forcing this violence on non-Muslims, especially the Christian, Sikh and Hindu minorities there.

I suspect a lot of unreported rape goes on in Muslim communities, given that the Muslim rape victim runs the risk of being killed by her relatives if she reports the crime. The Muslim rapists are probably operating under the erroneous assumption that foreigners are equally squeamish about reporting such incidents, thus leading to a lot of the perps being locked up. Once they get past the learning curve (and many prison terms), I suspect the rape epidemic with respect to non-Muslims will die down, and they'll limit their unwanted attentions to Muslim women.

49 posted on 01/19/2012 7:10:43 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The way I see it, India liberated Goa the way China liberated Tibet. Naked aggression abetted by local quislings.

Well, local quislings did throw the British out of a significant portion of North America (British America)... and likewise, California, Texas, et al.

:^)

Nonetheless, there's a fundamental difference between all of those (including Goa) and Tibet - no widespread, free elections under Chinese rule.

50 posted on 01/19/2012 7:12:28 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I doubt the Koranimals are getting a hint. The learning curve is flat for them now... and the rapes are only escalating:

Muslim Rape Gangs roaming Europe seeking White Victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqOydLrpqGE

This has been going on for decades, now.


51 posted on 01/19/2012 7:17:37 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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Well, local quislings did throw the British out of a significant portion of North America (British America)... and likewise, California, Texas, et al.

Quislings is when a foreign power does your work for you, and then annexes you. The Continental Army evicted the Brits. Texans and Californians evicted the Mexicans. In Goa, your Indian brethren did what the Pakistanis are doing in Kashmir - sent, paid and armed regular servicemen in the guise of guerillas. And when the guerrilas couldn't win, the Indian Army invaded.

52 posted on 01/19/2012 7:20:50 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
You didn’t even read the article

I did. It was a biased hit piece. Regardless of the history the bias in the article is enough to discredit it.
53 posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:51 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Zhang Fei; James C. Bennett
“The way I see it,....”

The way you see it? Are you a Goan? Do you see Goans fighting for independence like Tibetans? Do you see them revolting, rioting, protesting and agitating against the Indian government like in China. Goa is actually more peaceful then rest of India.

“Naked aggression abetted by local quislings.”

“local quislings” ....that would be the whole population of Goa.

54 posted on 01/19/2012 7:32:10 AM PST by ravager
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To: MindBender26

Why would that make him a troll vs. someone with an opinion (pretty much like anyone else here)?

Most Indian folks I know wish their country had been more independent and truly stayed non-aligned. They unofficially sided with Russia - which, well, didn’t turn out to be the best bet. Consider first that we aligned with China which was a traditional enemy of India. Bygones.


55 posted on 01/19/2012 7:33:23 AM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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To: Zhang Fei
Quislings is when a foreign power does your work for you, and then annexes you. The Continental Army evicted the Brits.

You're right. The Continental Army, aided by the perennial British enemy, the French.

Texans and Californians evicted the Mexicans.

A settler revolt / uprising, like in Goa?

56 posted on 01/19/2012 7:36:44 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

It’s very simple; when you post something calling Chuck Yeager a “military thug,” you are far from in agreement with the morals, ethics and baseline beliefs of people on FR.


57 posted on 01/19/2012 7:38:01 AM PST by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: sick1

It’s very simple; when he posts something calling Chuck Yeager a “military thug,” he is far from in agreement with the morals, ethics and baseline beliefs of people on FR.


58 posted on 01/19/2012 7:40:01 AM PST by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: ravager
“local quislings” ....that would be the whole population of Goa.

If the entire population of Goa were in revolt, the Indian Army wouldn't have needed to invade with a force of 30,000 men against the 3,000-strong Portuguese garrison. The fake Indian-staffed and -sponsored guerrilla movement would have been unnecessary. A simple boycott by the Goanese would have ended Portuguese sovereignty.

59 posted on 01/19/2012 8:07:29 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Hahahaha
you even know where is Goa in map of India mate ?
bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Goa.html


60 posted on 01/19/2012 9:11:05 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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