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To: elcid1970
Your comment about your grandfather digging his own coal to heat his home took me somewhat by surprise. Don't know why, though -- since my ancestors (and I) cut and split our own firewood for the same purpose...

Sadly, Americans seem to be losing the (pioneering and depression eras) values of "making do with what's available by the sweat of your own brow". :-(

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BTW, a note of personal thanks for this friendly, informative and enjoyable conversation!! IMHO, FR could use much more of the sort...

114 posted on 01/16/2012 11:04:00 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Thanks! I did think of one additional question about the attack on the Housatonic while looking at that diagram; maybe you have already discussed it.

Did those who designed and then modified the Hunley’s torpedo spar apply the principle of incompressibility of water, to insure that the point of detonation was as deep as possible? Like the RAF `skip bomb’, where the bomb detonated after sinking to the bottom of the dam wall.

Yes, we as a society are lacking in pioneer skills (looting supermarkets after a hurricane doesn’t count). There’s a growing `prepper’ movement but that’s mostly a matter of stockpiling & not telling anyone. Ask me about the fallout shelter craze, I was there.

My grandmother used to tell me how they survived the Depression in a small East Ohio town. It wasn’t so bad; Grandpa not only dug his own coal but hunted, fished, maintained a vegetable garden, and made homebrew & wine. Grandma canned and sewed, raised two kids and found odd jobs until Grandpa was working full time. Hardly any money, but adequate shelter, clothing, food and a social climate where nobody locked their doors even with unemployed men passing through seeking work. Completely destroys the “poverty causes crime” argument.

Finally, there’s something about the American Civil War: it’s been nearly a century and a half since Appomattox and yet bring up the subject and the entire conflict becomes like recent news. It’s in the present, it’s like unfinished business. World War Two seemed more distant as we watch its veterans age and pass from us. I just finished Bill O’Reilly’s “Killing Lincoln”; it’s like many Civil War books that read best in the presnt tense. Maybe because then, like now, was a time of tremendous technological advances accelerated by the tempo of war.

History is fun, there’s nothing else like it, except somebody recently observed that Santayana should have added, “Those who do remember history are also doomed to repeat it”.

V/R


115 posted on 01/16/2012 12:10:01 PM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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