Three questions though. Forget whether it's real or not, they're seeing something so lets assume it is real. With what you know, say in twenty years, are we all going to have home based LENR systems or is it going to be on the grid or both keeping in mind our wonderful NRC.
I've spent some free time skimming the Larsen-Widom theory and it seems that there is a simple way to prove it occurs and that is helium output, is that correct? When I've got time I'll read the whole thing.
Do any of the successful LENR experiments mentioned in the above posting, do any start with radioactive materiel? And, I know this sounds stupid but, can you drink heavy water?
Back in '89 it was easy to suppress P&F but now too many are involved. I hope for LENR's sake, Rossi has something or it will have a serious negative effect on getting funding for this work since labs seem to be in a vicious competition to get funding, especially after seeing what they did to Taleyarkhan not to mention what MIT did. I'm no believer in Peak Oil seeing as how previously played out wells seem to be refilling themselves but this is just what we need although I wouldn't have a problem if they went on a crash building program for 100 already proven fission reactors.
Although this is only opinion and everyone already knows everyone else's opinion and facts on Rossi so it would be better to not start another 100 post flame war where we just go back and forth. But, I feel that Rossi owes it to these other researchers to prove his device once and for all. He'll still get credit and probably an incredible amount of money as well as funding for a complete lab.
I would so much like this to be real, even if it takes another twenty years to get it commercially viable.
The way I would do it is to take the researchers that Celani mentions in the abstract, and look up their papers on LENR-CANR.org. Work that impresses a "cold fusion physicist" (which Celani is), is probably a better measure of "what's important" than my opinion would be.
"Three questions though. Forget whether it's real or not, they're seeing something so lets assume it is real. With what you know, say in twenty years, are we all going to have home based LENR systems or is it going to be on the grid or both keeping in mind our wonderful NRC.
Given the very recent data coming from the top researchers, even if Rossi ultimately proves to be a fraud, I think we will have practical CF devices, and with a much shorter time frame than 20 years out. Whether they will be "on the grid" or "become the grid" is an economical question that I don't feel qualified to comment on.
"I've spent some free time skimming the Larsen-Widom theory and it seems that there is a simple way to prove it occurs and that is helium output, is that correct? When I've got time I'll read the whole thing."
I haven't spent a whole lot of time on Larsen-Widom theory, because I'm not much of a theorist. BUT, AFAIK, every CF researcher who has bothered to look for helium has found it, and in signficantly higher levels than in "blank runs"). Heat and helium seem to be two of the few "very repeatable" things about CF experments.
"Do any of the successful LENR experiments mentioned in the above posting, do any start with radioactive materiel? And, I know this sounds stupid but, can you drink heavy water?"
I'm not aware of anybody who has tried using tritiated water as a "fuel" either in an electrolytic or gas-loaded cell. I suspect probably someone in the DOD has and, if done, is probably classified "top secret". Yes, you "can" drink heavy water (at least in small amounts). I've seen it postulated that if you got enough of it, that it could screw up the kinetics of enzymatic reactions enough to make you very ill (or very dead).
"Back in '89 it was easy to suppress P&F but now too many are involved. I hope for LENR's sake, Rossi has something or it will have a serious negative effect on getting funding for this work since labs seem to be in a vicious competition to get funding, especially after seeing what they did to Taleyarkhan not to mention what MIT did. I'm no believer in Peak Oil seeing as how previously played out wells seem to be refilling themselves but this is just what we need although I wouldn't have a problem if they went on a crash building program for 100 already proven fission reactors.
Even more important than funding, Rossi has drawn the other researchers back out of hiding and given overall CF research at least a SMALL amount of favorable response.
I think a lot of these guys (cf. Piantelli) have just been sitting on positive results because they didn't want to face the "P&F gauntlet". Rossi has given them the cover to "go public".
"Although this is only opinion and everyone already knows everyone else's opinion and facts on Rossi so it would be better to not start another 100 post flame war where we just go back and forth. But, I feel that Rossi owes it to these other researchers to prove his device once and for all. He'll still get credit and probably an incredible amount of money as well as funding for a complete lab.
I agree, but Rossi disagrees, and he has the ultimate trump cards. But given his new position on "consumer" E-cats, he's gonna have to open up to "somebody" sooner or later.
Regulatory agencies, if nobody else.
"I would so much like this to be real, even if it takes another twenty years to get it commercially viable.
Yup. I want our descendants to have the "high energy" future, not the "back to the caves" one that the greens want.
Not the atomic structure, but just how to find it, how to acquire it in sufficient quantities to be worthwhile, and what to do with it once you've got it.
My focus was on identifying old Spanish gold source areas in the Eastern United States ~ which have been abandoned for the last 400 years ~ so I could go tap into some of this stuff while it's at $1500 an ounce.
Recently some of that work has paid off in a surprising way ~ and this is not an investment offer. But it did pay off.
Alas, the problem is most of the gold is in the form of a substance called GOLD FLOUR.
As you know gold has one isotope. On the other hand due to its very special characteristics it has very small molecules ~ it is a regular practice to make 2 molecule thick gold films on satellites to protect them from cosmic rays ~
Turns out GOLD FLOUR can be so fine that gold will literally float on water. The Vanderwall forces are so strong at a certain small size that the gold is unable to break through the surface tension of the water at its interface with the atmosphere.
A great deal of the American Midwest is covered with a thin film of GOLD FLOUR rapidly making its way to the center of the Earth ~ and since its deposition some 12,500 years ago it's now anywhere from 6 inches to 18 inches deep!
You can spend some time if you want digging up all the statistical and scientific details regarding this deposition by looking up Comet Hits Canada in 12500 BC.
Good luck. There are some who don't believeit happened but the geological astronomers have found the gold film and traced the diamonds associated with it back to a site in Ontario immediately under the strike or explosion.
Amazing something like that has its own professional detractor group.
Now, back to GOLD FLOUR, this stuff was extracted way back when in Egypt and Arabia, and possibly Anatolia through the use of fresh, greasy animal hides or a substance like paper pulp. Once you've found a site showing a trace all you need to do is divert the surface of the water to a device that knocks the gold to the bottom ~ come back in 10 years and you have a bunch of it that's almost invisible.
I have an idea that the North American Indians managed to mine a vast quantity of gold this way, but how did they do it?
Any ideas how you can manipulate very wet nano particles ('cause that's what they are) so they clump or cluster where they can be extracted with more modern gold mining equipment?