[Lakeshark]

Other than for those who need intermittent power off the grid, until they figure out how to store energy from wind and solar, they are losers in the true energy market.

So far they can only make it via government mandates and subsidies.

[bigbob]

ALL forms of energy receive government subsidies. Wind and solar receive less than some others:

This is 2007 data but I've seen newer charts and the relative subsidy amounts have not changed much.