Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 12/08/2011 9:18:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Clearly, Joanne fails to understand the relationship between Tibetans driving SUVs 2,500 years ago and the devastating effect that had on the climate back then. The human race was completely WIPED OUT as the result of those irresponsible ancient Tibetans and, today, it’s the computers conducting all of these online discussions!!!
The main reason this is important is because of the degree to which Mann relies upon (tweaked) tree ring studies to “support” his claims.
LOL!
What I think this means is that a Chinese scientist applied an advanced form of differential calculus to multiple gradients of change in tree rings from 2500 year old tress and published his derivative predictions.
And they prove correct by observation.
Is that correct?
Also found that WUWT has this Story up :
In China, there are no hockey sticks
There are 223 comments.
There always good comments ot WUWT.
Will try to look thru them.
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crosspatch says:
Please keep in mind that tree rings will only show trends in summer temperatures and then it will only show early summer — June and July. The main factors in tree rings are the onset of summer growth and June/July temperatures. The onset of growth is generally constrained by when the snow melts. So a late slow melt can delay initiation of growth for the year and reduce the overall size of the annual ring for that year.
http://academic.engr.arizona.edu/HWR/Brooks/GC572-2004/readings/vaganov-nature-siberia-tree-snow.pdf
But generally, summer temperatures will trend with general climate, though not always. Since 1998 in the continental US, for example, summer temperatures are flat while winter temperatures have been plummeting. Overall annual temperatures are in decline but summer temperatures are flat. Tree rings in North America probably do not show the decline that the instrument record does in annual average temperature observations show (NCDC’s website).
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Kasuha says:
Fourier analysis on time series may be a lot of fun but until physical background of identified cycles is demonstrated it’s not more than just playing with numbers with zero predictive potential.
Never mind what actual trees say, we have computer models.
bump tree rings and weather trends
Break out the extra blankets and rum mateys.... Hmmmmm. now where is the wonder boy from Penn State on this......
Did anyone e-mail this to Al Gore yet? I am still seeking his answer to my question of ‘What caused the ice age?’, but he didn’t answer me.
Tree ring Climate ping!
We must be having global warming, it’s not freezing down here today!
Couple of points:
1. cooling going on until 2068 we really need to drill. More and more drilling. Drill until you drop.
2. The natural gas fields that have bee found are a real blessing as we are going to be burning it fast in our homes.
[ Couple of points:
1. cooling going on until 2068 we really need to drill. More and more drilling. Drill until you drop.
2. The natural gas fields that have bee found are a real blessing as we are going to be burning it fast in our homes. ]
To Heck with that, Build a Thorium LFTR reactor for every 100,000 people in the world and dump the excess energy that is unused into acres upon acre of plugged electric space heaters....
And we can build them here. I like the way you think.
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