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To: Liberty1970
This is contradictory to the scam models
I don't follow your reasoning.

I've been assuming that this is a investor scam. Rossi and/or Defkalion are trying to drum up publicity to get people to invest (either buying in to a "partnership", selling franchises or buying stocks). Issuing stock is perhaps the least likely option, since that exposes them to more oversight.

The key point is that they cannot release an actual product, nor can they allow a truly independent test of the device(s). If they do either one, they are either vindicated or proven to be liars.

As long as they avoid an open, independent test of the device(s), they can potentially keep bringing in investment money for years. I and others have documented how many different such scams have operated for 5, or even 10 years without collapsing.

This press release says nothing about any independent testing, nor does it identify any real, legitimate customers. It does brag about how many potential investors they have expressing interest.

I may be wrong about this being a scam. But I still haven't seen anything that excludes that possibility, and everything I've seen fits neatly into the mold of previous scammers.

I expect Rossi (and Defkalion) to find some excuse to avoid actually selling the device to real customers. They may come up with a fake customer, who is part of the scam, who will talk about how wonderful the E-Cat works. But I would be enormously surprised if a legitimate customer or tester will show up.

9 posted on 11/30/2011 8:00:05 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.; Liberty1970
If they do either one, they are either vindicated or proven to be liars.
Just to clarify this, if Rossi's goal was to be vindicated, he could have modified any of this public dog & pony shows to actually prove that his device works.

The fact that for a year he has steadfastly refused to do so is why I believe that he can't do so (because his gadget doesn't really work).

10 posted on 11/30/2011 8:09:24 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
The discussion I had with other Freeper(s) yesterday on the time sensitivity related to purchasers of Ecats. I agree with you that if this press release is part of a scam focusing on investors, not buyers, then it makes more sense to have a product release date out in the fuzzy future.

One comment I'd have is that if Defkalion and Rossi have really broken ties and this is Defkalion's attempt to salvage their part of the scam, then they must have a sense of time urgency even now, since they can't control Rossi and don't know when he might be unmasked. (Which would unmask Defkalion effectively as well.)

So, in my scam hypotheses, today's press release encourages me in the direction that Defkalion has not broken ties with Rossi (or more likely, whomever is running things behind Rossi), and they are operating together.

Anyway, I'm still going to have fun going through the spec sheets. Someone did a lot of work to put it all together, and if it turns out real I want to be familiar with it. :-)

11 posted on 11/30/2011 8:16:18 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Johnny B.
This press release says nothing about any independent testing, nor does it identify any real, legitimate customers. It does brag about how many potential investors they have expressing interest.

It doesn't, I was relying on one of the posters who posted an excerpt of the press release. They're going to allow testing of Gamma Ray emissions. That's a red herring, test its efficiency and settle this issue once and for all.

16 posted on 11/30/2011 8:35:49 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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