My position is eminently logical. If you have followed posts on the other Rossi threads, you know that Andrea Rossi has created a web of apparent shell companies. Ampenergo, which is supposedly a customer, is located at the same place as one of Rossi’s companies. Rossi’s company in Miami is located in a fifth-floor apartment. These are all indisputable facts! Based on these facts, I presume that Defkalion is yet another corporate entity created or controlled by Rossi and his associates.
Your suspension of disbelief is what’s illogical. Your position is unfortunately the one which is unsupported by fact!
My position is "I don't know" which is the only epistemologically valid conclusion at this point. While I appreciate the position of skeptics, its emminently silly to say the claims about the Ecat are "unsupported." Inadequate for proof or confidence, yes, but not without support.
My position is eminently logical.
You position is plausible, not logical. Many ideas are perfectly plausible (that is, the evidence can be interpreted consistently with them), but turn out to be false. The idea that you are having an affair with Herman Cain is also plausible in this same sense. Does that make it "logical" for me to declare it as fact?
If you have followed posts on the other Rossi threads, you know that Andrea Rossi has created a web of apparent shell companies. Ampenergo, which is supposedly a customer, is located at the same place as one of Rossi’s companies. Rossi’s company in Miami is located in a fifth-floor apartment. These are all indisputable facts! Based on these facts, I presume that Defkalion is yet another corporate entity created or controlled by Rossi and his associates.
By acknowledging you aren't sure with the terms in bold-face, you admit you don't know, only assume. Yet you morph from "apparent" to declaring "indisputable facts" a few sentences later. This transformation is achieved by willful faith, not logical argument. You are a 'true believer' in the same sense as the Ecat groupies, just in the opposite direction. I reject such faith-based conclusions.
Then go and prove that Defkalion is just another shell company. Expose the scam once and for all.
The golden ring lies before you.
later on you've abandoned "Ampenergo" as meaningful ~ now that we see that the "partners" are also the owners of the LTI they also own.
The "Leonardo Corporation" does not appear to be "LTI" (the name change is significant).
This leaves us with the "It's a Scam" side arguing that Rossi has a shell corporation called Leonardo Corporation, yet he is doing business with another shell corporation called Ampenergo owned by the exact same people as those who own LTI, a company with a $94 million contract with DOE.
On the "We don't know if you have proof that it's a Scam" side we see that Rossi has been around a good long while and the oldest business dealing in the US we find him involved in is back in 1994 ~ earlier he was in Italy ~ to wit, the Petroldragon situation. When he shows up to do business in the US it's as a contractor with LTI then working with Parsons. We do not get a clear link between Rossi and LTI in 1994 other than the references to project events inside the Corps of Engineeers report.
In that same report individuals currently identified as owners of LTI are working on the Parsons project ~ and it seems they might even be DOE employees at the time.
Your side's chief researcher should get us the corporation documents for LTI for 1992, 93, 94 and 95.