Posted on 11/29/2011 10:58:46 PM PST by Kevmo
Defkalion: “We have Rossi’s formula”
Av: Mats Lewan
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Tomorrow on Wednesday the Greek company Defkalion will present products similar to Andrea Rossi’s 'E-cat', claiming that the technology is developed in-house. But Defkalion earlier told Ny Teknik that it has 'the formula of Rossi' .
“Let’s say I have the formula of Rossi, but I’m not saying it officially. My scientists found a way to make it. They need three months.”
That is what Alexandros Xanthoulis, representative of Defkalion Green Technology’s owners, told Ny Teknik in a telephone conversation on August 5, 2011 .
“I know what he’s got in the reactor, I know everything. It was a spectroscopy made by the University of Siena. (...) They tried his reactor without him understanding what they did,” he continued .
Xanthoulis contacted Ny Teknik the day after Rossi unilaterally terminated his agreement with Defkalion. Among other things, the agreement gave Defkalion exclusive rights in Greece and the Balkans for production and distribution of the “E-cat” – Rossi’s invention that might produce heat through a hitherto unknown form of nuclear reaction .
At a press conference in June 2011 Defkalion presented sketches on a range of products – “Hyperion” – built around Rossi’s technology, with control and regulation systems, remote monitoring, heat exchangers and other peripherals developed by Defkalion .
When Rossi terminated the agreement in August, he stressed that no knowledge of the core technology had been transferred to Defkalion. The Hyperion products thus seemed to have no future .
During the telephone conversation with Ny Teknik, Xanthoulis expressed considerable uncertainty about Rossi’s intentions. However, he made clear that he was not going to use the knowledge of Rossi’s reactor and that he wanted "fair play" .
He also explained that his researchers had found ways to improve the technology. According to Xanthoulis, Rossi could not run the reaction more than 24 hours, and when Defkalion required a 48 hour test it supposedly led to a conflict with Rossi .
“It’s very simple but they didn’t think about it. (...) We solved the problem. Because the problem is that he cannot spread the reaction all over the pipe, and all the heating is concentrated in the middle”, Xanthoulis told Ny Teknik .
A few days after the phone conversation, Defkalion announced that it continued the project, despite the breach of contract. Defkalion has also continued to offer licenses for the production of Hyperion products to EUR 40.5 million per factory .
Tomorrow on Wednesday November 30th, Defkalion has planned a presentation of its products, and has announced that the the technology will be certified and tested by an independent party .
In contrast to Xanthoulis’ information about Defkalion’s possessing ' the formula of Rossi', the company now states that its technology is developed in-house and that it is not based on Rossi’s technology .
Among other things, Defkalion posted in a forum on its website: “E-cats (or energy catalyzers) are E-cats and Hyperions are Hyperions. We can assure you that they are not the same ‘thing’ with just different names.”
On Ny Teknik's request we received the following comment to the conversation in August:
"So much has changed since August, many minor events and issues have taken place making it hard to tie the story together with a few words of Alex back then. Defkalion is working on exothermic reactions between Nickel and Hydrogen. Our products have completely different technologies (encompassing electronics, engineering, materials) than from Rossi, even [if] we have understood where Rossi has made his mistakes."
Ny Teknik also asked for a comment from Rossi who declined, stating that he would never have anything to do with Defkalion again, and that what the company said or did could only be a matter for his lawyers, in the case that would be necessary .
Since the breach of contract in August, Rossi has continued to work on his technology and has made a number of semi-public demonstrations to some criticism of Defkalion which stated that Rossi used some technology developed by the Greek company .
On October 28 a test of a heating plant with a nominal thermal power of one megawatt, consisting of about one hundred E-cat modules, was performed. The test was made by an anonymous customer, according to Rossi a military organization, which officially approved the plant and then bought it .
Thereafter, the same customer has, still according to Rossi, placed an order for a further twelve similar plants which now supposedly are under construction. And yesterday Rossi announced that a heat plant had been sold to a customer who will let "a qualified public" visit it .
Rossi has said he is now taking pre-orders for a consumer version of the E-cat at 10 kilowatts of thermal power, stating that when he reaches 10,000 pre-orders, the interested parties will be offered to accept or decline to purchase the product for 400 Euros per kilowatt nominal thermal output, which would set the prize for a model of 10 kilowatts to 4,000 Euros .
Many have called for an independent test of the E-cat, but Rossi has rejected this and said that he now only has time for customers. According to Rossi, another reason is avoiding that further details of the invention reach his competitors, as it is not yet patented .
In addition to Defkalion, at least a dozen researchers worldwide are actively working with phenomena related to the concept of cold fusion or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, LENR. However, no one has so far come close to the output power levels Rossi seems to have reached .
Most notable is perhaps Rossi’s compatriot Prof. Francesco Piantelli who previously conducted research with Rossi’s scientific adviser Prof. Sergio Focardi. Among other researchers often mentioned are Americans Michael McKubre, George Miley, Peter Hagelstein, Brian Ahern and Italian Francesco Celani who attended Rossi’s first public trial in January 2011 .
According to reliable sources to Ny Teknik, there are stakeholders who have tried to make commercial agreements with Rossi, and who are now actively seeking opportunities to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in this area .
The concept of cold fusion has generally been regarded as impossibility by the scientific community since the debate following a press conference on 23 March 1989 when researchers Fleischmann and Pons presented their results .
Despite this the phenomenon has since then been confirmed in hundreds of published scientific papers .
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READ MORE: Our complete coverage on Rossi's E-cat can be found here .
FAKTA Excerpt of Ny Teknik’s conversation with Alexandros Xanthoulis August 5
"Let’s say I have the formula of Rossi, but I’m not saying it officially. My scientists found a way to make it. They need three months, but I’m not going to play game behind Rossi. I’m not a cheater. We started together and if he has to be paid, he will. But his problem is scientifically solved by us .
Because we believe that his reactor cannot operate more than 24 hours .
When we requested 48 it was a problem. But my scientists found out the problems. I cannot reveal it right now. But the problem can be fixed by us. It’s very simple but they didn’t think about it. The same way more than a year ago when Rossi had never thought that his invention could create electricity. He had never thought about it until we told him."
(...)
"First of all, the first problem was with 48 hours, that’s for sure. And he had a huge fight with one of my scientists, Mr Hadjichristos, you’ve heard of him most probably, Yiannis, because we were insisting on 48 hours. But we know the problem; we didn’t tell him of course, we know the problem .
I know what he’s got in the reactor, I know everything. It was a spectroscopy (Greek: ‘fasmatoscopy’) made by the university of Siena. It was an equipment made by the University of Siena. It understands everything that’s inside the reactor. So we know the components."
Ny Teknik: Who did that?
"The University of Siena .
They tried his reactor without him understanding what they did. They checked it and we know what’s in the reactor .
So it’s a matter of two or three months that my scientists can reproduce that, but I’m not going to try it. I’m playing a fair game .
We solved the problem. The problems he’s got, we solved them. Because the problem is that he cannot spread the reaction all over the pipe, and all the heating is concentrated in the middle. So we found the solution."
(This quote is slightly adjusted for clarity through advice from Defkalion) .
FAKTA The E-cat
The 'energy catalyzer' is loaded with nickel powder and a number of secret catalysts and is pressurized with hydrogen gas. Excess heat is possibly produced via an unknown nuclear reaction, involving nickel and hydrogen .
Several semipublic tests have been made to demonstrate the release of net energy but no independent tests have yet been done .
On October 28, 2011, a heat plant composed by 107 Ecat modules was tested by an anonymous customer. In a report the customer claimed a released net power of 479 kW in self sustained mode .
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You’re a gray alien, I never would have guested it. Will there be any probing?
Yes, of course, and in a public situation to boot; however, viewers will not be allowed to use their Geiger counters, and no measurements will be taken with any instruments other than bathroom scales.
I’ll make sure my cousin Cletus is there too.
That's the same Bob Gentile on the roster at Ampenergo.
So, this “Bob Gentile,” whom doesn’t appear to be related in any way to Andrea Rossi, can tell me about this fictitious corporation you came up with?
Why don’t you just admit that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about when you say, “LTI this” and “LTI that?”
Don't forget the strawberries.
That sounds like Rossi's spin. Do you know how much oil Rossi produced with his 'process'? Exactly, nothing. There were people claiming he was supplying over ten tons of fuel oil a day when all he was doing was collecting tons of waste which the Italian gov had to deal with at an extremely high price.
Queeg had to find out who stole the strawberries. Now Rossi has to find out who stole his ecat secrets.
Read this rant by Rossi and think about it.
"We will run also in self sustained mode, the periods will depend on many factors. In any case, the power output will be 6 times the power input. About the snakes: the time of the snakes is over. The start up of the 1 MW plant is the end of the mental masturbations of enviuos, wannabe theorists, lecturers of calorimetry and engineering. Now LENR goes to the market. The test will not be made by me, but by the Customers’ consultants. Time of chatters is over. Maybe the test will not be good, maybe: it will be the first time I will start up a plant of that dimension, but in this case the problem will be the Customer, not the bunch of imbeciles that instead of understanding that we actually made LENR a reality lose their time digging holes on the surface the water in the middle of the ocean to find the wine. And in the case this test will go not well, we will learn and remake another, and another, and another, but, be sure, we will arrive to the target. At any cost."
page 85 “Munson, C. L., R. H. Gentile and C. Cassarino, 1999, Study of Advanced Ideas on the Seebeck Effect in Semiconductors and Use of Thermoelectric Apparatus to Enhance Fossil Power Plant Efficiency, Prepared for the United States Department of Energy, Office of Fossil Energy, Contract No. DE-AM01-98FE65271, Task DE-AT01-98FE65489, Parsons and Leonardo Technologies, Inc.” in http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo(2004).pdf
What State?
http://www.sos.nh.gov/imaging/13384140.pdf Signed by Craig Cassarino (Treasurer for Ampenergo) ~ http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/politically-connected-us-company-licensed-to-sell-energy-catalyzer-in-americas explains the connections between Cassarino, Gentile, etc. With as much cain as was raised about Br’r Norwood (who owns a building where Rossi has a telephone number connection) you’d think by now that Karl Norwood, Robert Noceti, Robert Gentile and Craig Cassarino would be almost universally understood to have a serious business relationship with Rossi going back years, and some of these guys worked on Parson contracts with DOD with Rossi, and each other.
I've been digging around in Italian corporation reporting systems ~ ETF stands for several hundred different organizations. They want money to dig into their data bases.
So, when are you putting in your first order...
And you do, really?
BTW, that's pretty trivial stuff when you've worked in on site reviews of condition and delivery for heavy duty electrical equipment for a major building full of thousands of machines and thousands of employees.
So, yeah, I know the difference between battery back up systems for the delicate electronic gear that controls mail sortation equipment, as well as the safety lights for emergency evacuation.
You may also recognize such things ~ I'm guessing the NASA guy is like one of those guys who breaks open the box with a crowbar and bops his screwdriver down the blocks just to see if stuff pops.
I bothered to spend a lot of time studying the technology behind large industrial scale batteries (and "things" used in place of batteries) just so I could do my job knowledgeably and safely.
Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Lx.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. Maybe you should sign up for a few more years of therapy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2813439/posts?page=91#91
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=165#165
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=164#164
• Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:55:59 PM • 164 of 169
Lx to Kevmo
I see...years of therapy on your horizon, better start now.
It’s really helped me be nicer, more sympathetic and understanding.
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You may assume whatever you like; however, there is no evidence linking me in any way to the Mob.
***Hah hah, now maybe you can see the folly of your own fallacious reasoning.
no, DUHH...
Obviously you have reading comprehension issues.
So, you can either believe an unsubstantiated rumor being spread by some guy who admits he doesn’t really know,
***Here’s where you distort an otherwise very sharp argument. Rothwell doesn’t say he doesn’t really know, he just doesn’t have a link. It is obvious to everyone that Rossi has the appearance of a shady background. So why is it that guys like Levi, Stremmenos, Kullander have investigated his claim, knowing full well the possibility of scam, and have said there’s something to it? The expanding conpsiracy theory is a violation of Occham’s Razor.
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