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To: jeffc
what makes light travel at any given speed . .

This arose from an earlier question, when it was not assumed that the speed of light is a fixed value. The question, colloquially stated, was: If light waves . . what waves?

There is compelling information (diffraction patterns, etc.) that light behaves like a wave. Yet there was no known way for waves to propogate without a medium - something to 'wave' or carry the energy. A substance called 'the ether' was postulated as a medium to carry the wave energy of light. If the ether were a property of space, then the measured velocity of light would change based on how the observer was moving relative to the fixed ether. In other words, if you were travelling along with the ether, you'd measure a lower speed for light, and if you were travelling against it, you'd measure a higher speed.

Michelson and Morley set up an experiment to prove this. But what they found was that the measured speed of light was independent of our own motion - it was always a constant.

Einstein - among others - explained this in various analyses including the theories of relativity - which provided very elegant, testable, and accurate ways to show they were consistent with all observed data. Maxwell's equations provide very elegant, testable, and accurate ways to calculate electric and magnetic effects, and the constant speed of light is integral to them. In essence, light waves are interchanging electric and magnetic fields, and Einstein showed that at one particular speed, these are self-sustaining even in a vacuum.

But, the speed of light is not really a constant. It is a constant in any medium, and it is fastest in a vacuum. The speed of light is inversely proportional to the index of refraction for the medium - which means the speed of light inside a diamond is less than half of what it is in a vaccum.

This new experiment measures the elasped time for neutrinos to travel a known distance - and compares it to a calculated time for light to travel that same distance. Neutrinos are funny things, and there may be interactions at a level where the strong and weak nuclear forces have a greater effect than electro-magnetic forces. So I'm not saying that neutrinos can't travel faster than light in the particular conditions of this experiment.

However, when the difference is measured in nano-seconds, it is on the same order as the accuracy of the measurements - and those are always questionable. Frankly, I think the answer will turn out to be an error in their analysis of their setup, but that's what a proper scientific method is all about - make a prediction, check it experimentally, and scrub your answer until no other answer (like missed analysis of timing, or of distance, or of something else) can explain the observed results as well as your answer.

Oh, and as another poster responded, electrons don't really orbit atomic nuclei. That's not really relevant to this.
53 posted on 11/18/2011 12:58:49 PM PST by Phlyer
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To: Phlyer
A substance called 'the ether' was postulated as a medium to carry the wave energy of light.

Nova had a show on string theory this week. Told a story I had never heard before.

Said a physicist in the 20s (no one I'd ever heard of before) postulated that there was a 5th dimension through which electromagnetic waves propagated. Said Einstein himself bought into it for a while. Was the first time anyone thought of the idea there were more than 4 dimensions.

84 posted on 11/18/2011 2:23:10 PM PST by DManA
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