Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo
Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .
But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .
The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .
But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .
Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory
'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .
'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Your numbers seem on the long side. If this works, and is far cheaper than conventional electrical power generation, why would it take 30 years to replace existing facilities?
But anyway, you did answer with specific estimates, and I appreciate that. Thank you.
BTW, if I really believe that this is real (and at the moment, I don’t) how would I “play” this? What’s an investment I can make today, that will begin to feel the effects of this new “technological revolution” in the fairly new term?
I meant “short term”, not “new term”.
Sorry.
guess there is no way for you to figure out ..... we shot way over your head.
Anyways, suffice it to say, Rossi got himself a ticket to prison again
No, Rossi said that the black box ... “the reactor” is being manufactured by Leonardo Inc. in the US.Is that the manufacturing plant in the 5th floor apartment in Florida? I'm surprised the neighbors didn't complain about the noise from all that manufacturing.
That is the one, don’t worry, he is using recycled blenders to make his secrete boxes.
BTW, if I really believe that this is real (and at the moment, I don’t) how would I “play” this? What’s an investment I can make today, that will begin to feel the effects of this new “technological revolution” in the fairly new term?
***I’ve been wondering the same thing. I have never really played the stock market. There are FReepers who make a case that if this turns out to be real, the price of oil would drop dramatically. Water desalination would win big. There are dozens of coal powered electrical plants getting shut down by the EPA; buying them for pennies on the dollar and putting in LENR generators would be a huge play. Turbine generator companies would win big, and so would companies that make Sterling engines.
Standard troll tactics; your whole posting strategy this round adds up to one giant non-sequitur.
Well, I remain skeptical but it is an intriguing possibility and I always read your posted articles. Thanks for all the effort you put into this.
non-sequitur? you obviously don’t know what this means and want to sound intelligent.
So what? Rossi et al. didn’t gut bathroom scales and use the components to build high-accuracy devices, THEY USED THE BATHROOM SCALES IN THE EXPERIMENT.
Understand now?
I can find NO instance where he has faked technology.Oh, I beg to differ!
Here's a list of some of Rossi's previous business dealings. Several are, unfortunately, Google translations from the Italian. See if you can spot a pattern...
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dandrea%2Brossi%2Bpetroldragon%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1384%26bih%3D876%26tbs%3Dcdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1900,cd_max:12/31/2010%26prmd%3Dimvnso&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&twu=1&u=http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1992/gennaio/08/PETROL_DRAGON_per_titolare_guai_co_7_9201081368.shtml&usg=ALkJrhhF9pDxm9v-kehpDELYixUZVw9Bmg
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dandrea%2Brossi%2Bpetroldragon%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1384%26bih%3D876%26tbs%3Dcdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1900,cd_max:12/31/2010%26prmd%3Dimvnso&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&twu=1&u=http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1994/marzo/09/petrolio_dai_rifiuti_inservibile_tossico_co_0_94030910061.shtml&usg=ALkJrhgXc3rY5p0XyvoUR3OKXbJgiy8uvwThis article appears to be about criminal charges against Rossi for filing false invoices to take advantage of a "Law on the earthquake" (Earthquake-related subsidy?)
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dandrea%2Brossi%2Bpetroldragon%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1384%26bih%3D876%26tbs%3Dcdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1900,cd_max:12/31/2010%26prmd%3Dimvnso&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&twu=1&u=http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1996/marzo/13/Petrol_Dragon_Silos_veleni_sequestrati_co_0_96031313857.shtml&usg=ALkJrhgGvvDYw4Cnl_KNxdsPFk2GRX9cEQThis one is about the toxic waste from Rossi's alleged "garbage to oil" invention. According to this article, the "output" from Rossi's process was no more than 3% hydrocarbons. It appears that this was a syndicate of Rossi's company and several to dump their toxic waste by claiming that Rossi was converting it to fuel.
There is an article floating around that makes it sound like Rossi was an innocent victim of a conspiracy between the Italian government and the Mafio to shut down his legitimate business. Note that this article is nothing more or less than Rossi's defense in his trial. If you always believe whatever the defendant in a trial says, then you should believe Rossi.
According to this article, Rossi's "process" for converting garbage into fuel was to "mix the waste with lime" before sending it to the dump site.http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dandrea%2Brossi%2Bpetroldragon%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1384%26bih%3D876%26tbs%3Dcdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1900,cd_max:12/31/2010%26prmd%3Dimvnso&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&twu=1&u=http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1996/febbraio/20/Andrea_Rossi_gioielli_guai_co_0_9602206339.shtml&usg=ALkJrhi0K4_c5emZwMMYxUEMz-O_oInX0A
Here's an article about Rossi's gold scam. Fake invoices for shipping gold that never arrived at it's destination.http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo(2004).pdf
This one is particularly interesting. Rossi sold the U. S. Army on his "invention" of a vastly more efficient Thermo-Electric (TE) Power Generator" that would convert waste heat into electricity.
"Dr." Rossi (notice that the Army thought, for some reason, that Rossi was a "Dr.") could improve the efficiency of these devices from "the current science of 4%" to 20%
Rossi produces a small-scale device, which appeared to show this dramatic increase in efficiency. (Although, as is typical of Rossi's demos, the testing methodology appears to be flawed. They only took measurements "every 1/2 hour", leaving as unanswered what the device was doing when no one was actually monitoring it.)
After this demo, Rossi's factory burned down, and Rossi left the country. He claimed that it would be more "cost effective" to build the actual devices in Italy.
None of the devices produced by Rossi worked. 19 of the 27 devices were totally incapable of generating electricity "for a variety of reasons." The remaining devices produced only 1 Watt of power, not only significantly less than the results promised by Rossi (800 - 1000 Watts), but less than the exiting technology provided. In other words, they didn't even work as well as devices he could have bought off the shelf.
The report carefully avoids drawing any conclusions about Rossi's involvement in this. I suspect that is because it doesn't help a military man's career by admitting that he was the victim of a con artist.
I see your reading skills and logic are as good as ever:
"In furtherance of his research, in early 2000, LTI had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TE Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power. After this initial 6 ERDC/CERL TR-04-20 success, and a fire that destroyed his Manchester, NH location, Dr. Rossi returned to Italy to continue the manufacture of the TE Devices."
Note that this was a test "done by an independent entity" on equipment "not set up by Rossi". In other words, it met your own stated criteria for a "gold standard" test.
I'm sure you think Rossi was sitting next to the test rig 24/7 for a week, just to twiddle the knobs when no one was looking.
And at this point, I don't have time to waste digging through your other badly translated articles of unknown source to find out what else you're taking out of context.
And I'm not sure I'm going to...as every time I try to go off your linked page, I get warnings from Firefox that the site is trying to "hijack" the URL.
However, that same piece of news about weighing the whole unit ALSO refers to a different scale used for precision measurements.
Which is just one of the reasons YOU MUST BE IGNORED. Two scales, not one scale, and please give us the model number on that "bathroom scale" so we can see what kind of strain gauge it used ~ there are a large number of them.
Those cheap Chinese sales only have one strain gauge. Whey do you think it gives you different numbers depending on where you are standing?
A google of "Kevmo INTRADE" brings up somebody's interesting posting strategy.
A google of "Kevmo INTRADE" brings up somebody's interesting posting strategy.Heh heh. I see that a year or two ago, Kevmo was "investing" in a different cold fusion guy.
Presumably, once Rossi has disappeared from view, Kevmo will be investing on the next "messiah" in cold fusion, whoever that may be.
The "only slightly more expensive" Chinese scale for sale at Bed Bath and Beyond has FOUR strain gauges.
The capability of the strain gauge, or of a load cell, is independent of the weighing frame. Another piece for bed time reading: >http://www.omega.com/literature/transactions/volume3/strain.html
Oh,and you can call it a 'bathroom scale" or a "shethouse scale" and it's all the same thing. Put a different bucket on it and it's a "chicken scale" or a "baby pig scale" or a gourmet artichoke scale, etc.
If you want to know weights to the nearest KG, or tenth of a KG, or 100th of a KG you can purchase scales that have programming and a read-out that limit you to exactly the measurements you want.
You can buy essentially the same scale showing 9 digits of precision if you want ~ as far as the digital read out is concerned.
All things are possible.
So, are you people trying to make a point or something?
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What is the spec accuracy of those strain gauges?
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